1,000 Wins in HD Topic

That wasn't my point. I'm not arguing that at this point there is a difference, my only point is that there is a difference.

I was responding to the quote directly above mine.
2/7/2010 5:12 PM
i would say most worlds are about equal now (they're all barren wastelands). Other than Rupp for DII and Wooden for DIII.

But the point is that for seasons 1 thru 30 of the 1-a-day worlds, competition was much more fierce.

it was only like that for season 1 of tark, phelan, and knight.

so for 39 seasons wins were easy to come by in the 2-a-day worlds. so, to amass 1000 wins was easier in the 2-a-days.


i'm not including DI in the argument here. But for the record i think tark DI is just as tough as the rest of the worlds. Knight and Phelan might be a notch down.
2/7/2010 5:21 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 2/07/2010i would say most worlds are about equal now (they're all barren wastelands). Other than Rupp for DII and Wooden for DIII.

But the point is that for seasons 1 thru 30 of the 1-a-day worlds, competition was much more fierce.

it was only like that for season 1 of tark, phelan, and knight.

so for 39 seasons wins were easy to come by in the 2-a-day worlds. so, to amass 1000 wins was easier in the 2-a-days.


i'm not including DI in the argument here. But for the record i think tark DI is just as tough as the rest of the worlds. Knight and Phelan might be a notch down.


One season, really? What about when everyone jumped from D3 to D2 after one season. That wasn't fierce? To say that the first 30 seasons of one-a-day worlds offered more competition than two-a-day worlds is a completely subjective opinion.

For the record, I also have a team in D1 Tark at UCLA and I agree, the competition is strong up there. But to say that there is no competition in the lower levels is insulting to all the coaches there.
2/7/2010 5:28 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 2/07/2010
Of course it's different. How can you say it's not?

If you play twice as many games, you can get to 1000 wins twice as fast.

That said, it's still amazing.



As AB said, if it's the same number of seasons, what's the difference? The only thing the two-a-day worlds did was catch up to the one-a-day worlds faster.
2/7/2010 5:30 PM
so instead of asking who has 1000 wins why not ask who has the best record at 1000 wins.
either way it's very impressive, and I think it would be harder to do in a 2 a day world because its so easy to miss GPing sometimes( at least for me).
2/7/2010 5:35 PM
this subject came up a while back. Season 10 of Tark.

I joined up to see how easy it was to win . . . .

In four seasons i won an NT. I then jumped to another team and in four seasons i made the final four. If i remember correct, only reason i lost is that i was facing a superclass 650+ rated team from my own conference....

my team was balanced, no unfair advantage. it was just easy to win. there were between 4-8 great teams. those same teams won, all the time. so, naturally they racked up wins.

actually it was more like there was one great team (OR's W Conn team) and 5 "others".

anyway. not braggin. i'm a self proclaimed "average" coach. my big talent is landing on the good side of the PI bubble. But winning in tark DIII was very, very easy.

teams were elms and Castleton st if you wanna look it up...

2/7/2010 5:39 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 2/07/2010
this subject came up a while back. Season 10 of Tark.

I joined up to see how easy it was to win . . . .

In four seasons i won an NT. I then jumped to another team and in four seasons i made the final four. If i remember correct, only reason i lost is that i was facing a superclass 650+ rated team from my own conference....

my team was balanced, no unfair advantage. it was just easy to win. there were between 4-8 great teams. those same teams won, all the time. so, naturally they racked up wins.

actually it was more like there was one great team (OR's W Conn team) and 5 "others".

anyway. not braggin. i'm a self proclaimed "average" coach. my big talent is landing on the good side of the PI bubble. But winning in tark DIII was very, very easy.

teams were elms and Castleton st if you wanna look it up...




I did the same thing in D3 Rupp (Brandeis) under my other ID. Not sure what this proves..........
2/7/2010 6:12 PM
1000 wins is impressive regardless of world. but lets not pretend that competition now is the same as it was years ago, both quantity and quality. my smith conference right now is a fine example.
2/7/2010 7:06 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 2/07/2010
1000 wins is impressive regardless of world. but lets not pretend that competition now is the same as it was years ago, both quantity and quality. my smith conference right now is a fine example.



Fair enough. A little story though. In my 6th EVER HD season, I picked up Becker in Wooden D3. The team had five returning players and I recruited five freshmen that season (had two walk-ons). Well, lo and behold, I ended up winning my conference tournament and along with the automatic bid came a 14 seed in the NT. Well, little old 14 seed Becker, with a coach who barely knew what he was doing, ended up losing in the Final Four in overtime.

My point being, if a coach who didn't know what he was doing, with a team consisting of half freshmen, could make it to the Final Four in D3 Wooden (which is supposed to be one of the toughest worlds for D3), how tough could the competition have really been?

Yes, there were many great coaches many seasons ago, but there have been plenty of great coaches who have replaced them as they have . Two of the best HD coaches of all-time came after that point: Lostmyth and Coach_BillyG. I would venture to say that they could hold their own no matter when they started. Just because it seemed tougher back in the "good old days", doesn't necessarily mean it was. It kind of reminds me of old time baseball players who always claimed that the game was so much better back when they played. Seems to me that they have a little selective amnesia to go along with an "our generation had it so much tougher" attitude.

Is it easier now then it was many seasons ago? I would say probably a little, but I'd also say not by as much as people "remember". Not to call anyone out, but Dave you've been stuck on 6 NT's for some time now. If the game is getting so much easier, shouldn't you have added some more rings to your collection? And before you go saying that "the press is magic", I've won 6 NT's myself without running the press (and a 7th with a press team) and I started WELL after you did. The game is not necessarily "easier", it's just different.
2/7/2010 9:27 PM
winning a DII or DIII championship is still a very good accomplishment but it isn't what it used to be for one main reason. There isn't near as much competition as there used to be! Most of the 1 a day worlds had very active coaches in every division. Not so much these days.

The 2 a day worlds have never been as competitive. There are still some great coaches, great teams and great champions but it isn't quite the same. There just isn't the same type of competition as the 1 a day worlds had. I'm not sure there is a good way to compare the past to current HD teams. I haven't figured out a way to do it yet. We can only hope to improve what we have.
2/7/2010 10:18 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 2/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 2/07/2010
1000 wins is impressive regardless of world. but lets not pretend that competition now is the same as it was years ago, both quantity and quality. my smith conference right now is a fine example.



Fair enough. A little story though. In my 6th EVER HD season, I picked up Becker in Wooden D3. The team had five returning players and I recruited five freshmen that season (had two walk-ons). Well, lo and behold, I ended up winning my conference tournament and along with the automatic bid came a 14 seed in the NT. Well, little old 14 seed Becker, with a coach who barely knew what he was doing, ended up losing in the Final Four in overtime.

My point being, if a coach who didn't know what he was doing, with a team consisting of half freshmen, could make it to the Final Four in D3 Wooden (which is supposed to be one of the toughest worlds for D3), how tough could the competition have really been?

Yes, there were many great coaches many seasons ago, but there have been plenty of great coaches who have replaced them as they have . Two of the best HD coaches of all-time came after that point: Lostmyth and Coach_BillyG. I would venture to say that they could hold their own no matter when they started. Just because it seemed tougher back in the "good old days", doesn't necessarily mean it was. It kind of reminds me of old time baseball players who always claimed that the game was so much better back when they played. Seems to me that they have a little selective amnesia to go along with an "our generation had it so much tougher" attitude.

Is it easier now then it was many seasons ago? I would say probably a little, but I'd also say not by as much as people "remember". Not to call anyone out, but Dave you've been stuck on 6 NT's for some time now. If the game is getting so much easier, shouldn't you have added some more rings to your collection? And before you go saying that "the press is magic", I've won 6 NT's myself without running the press (and a 7th with a press team) and I started WELL after you did. The game is not necessarily "easier", it's just different.
the game now is about athletes and the press, and has been for 2-3 years. i choose to not pander to that, nor would i find enjoyment building teams around those things, and i also put little to no time into my teams. i used to be able to name most all my players on all my teams, now i couldnt name a single player on a single team. i used to spend probably 3-5 minutes gameplanning per game, now i spend 10 seconds, my teams are basically on autopilot after initial set-up. i used to scan recruiting for hours, now i normally wait til the last day in d2 and d3 and in d1 just look at guys within 200 miles who wont create battles. this is not a recipe for elite success, but these are choices i make, choices that a sim engine that got worse rather than better and now is stale made easy for me. perhaps these are excuses, but they are my reality, and the reality of many coaches who have come and gone. i genuinely have no clue why i keep playing, i'd start dropping teams the second i found a better similar-type game. if this next release isnt markedly better the teams will start dropping quickly for me...
2/7/2010 10:40 PM
I cant speak for Tark DII or DIII as I havent played them in awhile. But Tark DI is loaded with what seems like the best of the best of HD coaches.
2/8/2010 8:53 AM
Apologies for calling you out Dave, I was in a rather bad mood last night. I agree wholeheartedly with your post above. I also used to be able to name all the players on my teams, gameplan, etc. The game has gotten stale for me too, and like you, if the new release isn't significantly better, I'll be dropping teams also. Probably all of them..........
2/8/2010 12:21 PM
Tark D2 seems to be pretty good also. There are at least 3 really high quality conference including probably the best D2 conference in all of HD.
2/8/2010 12:25 PM
I think I might get tired of this game after 350+ seasons. Maybe it's not the game... but just having been there and done that for so long.

I enjoy the game and feel like I have lots to learn and get out of it so far. But I have resisited racking up many teams due to time and money. Maybe having fewer teams would make those more interesting and meaningful.

I certainly agree it would be nice to have worlds that were not so empty. Of course, I have my hands full as it is.



2/8/2010 4:45 PM
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