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Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 2/18/2010

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/18/2010
I think this is a good change the limitations were put in to limit class sizes. Now that we have a strict 6 player per class cap there is no need for this as well. I don't see how this does any harm.

Says the guy with 8 open scholarships. :-)



Touche. Yeah I don't agree with your 100% carryover , although more then 25% wouldn't be bad, imo 100% is too much. (yes i caught your saracasm there) Surprised at how quick this change was made tho - I think from now on when seble makes changes he needs to post in the change exactly when it is effective not just a change was made.

Seble do you hear this? I think it would go a long ways to help out with the customer interaction end of things.
2/18/2010 11:15 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 2/18/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By jbasnight on 2/18/2010
Terrible change, IMHO. It rewards the coaches who go balls-out trying to sign one or two studs every time and take a bunch of walkons.
No team is going to be good if they are constantly only signing one or two people.

If that's a consistent strategy, it's not a very good one.

I can buy that this helps great coaches with a bunch of EEs, but I cant fathom a scenario where it helps coaches who do what you are saying.

Anyway, I don't really see why this is necessary either, but does it really matter? Any team with more than six new players is going to struggle regardless how good the coach is. It allows them to rebuild after a great season and a bunch of players drafted. I don't see why that's so unfair to the rest of us.

Taking walkons is a great strategy but taking 3+ is not. I agree iwth what you ahve said.
2/18/2010 11:16 AM
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
2/18/2010 11:18 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 2/18/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By jbasnight on 2/18/2010
Terrible change, IMHO. It rewards the coaches who go balls-out trying to sign one or two studs every time and take a bunch of walkons.
No team is going to be good if they are constantly only signing one or two people.

If that's a consistent strategy, it's not a very good one.

I can buy that this helps great coaches with a bunch of EEs, but I cant fathom a scenario where it helps coaches who do what you are saying.

Anyway, I don't really see why this is necessary either, but does it really matter? Any team with more than six new players is going to struggle regardless how good the coach is. It allows them to rebuild after a great season and a bunch of players drafted. I don't see why that's so unfair to the rest of us.

I'm not saying it's a great strategy--in fact, I think it's a very poor strategy, which is why I don't want to see a coach get rewarded for employing it.

Same with the coach with 6 open schollies--a coach with a six-SR class was courting the risk that, if he had any EEs he might have to fill more than 6 slots with only six slots worth of cash. Now that risk has been reduced, if not eliminated.
2/18/2010 11:21 AM
Why was this limit on in the first place? I assume it was to prevent a superclass. If there are already ways to prevent that, i.e. no more than 6 in a class, there is no reason to have this limit. Why should teams with 7 or 8 openings only get cash for 6? Explain how that made sense.
2/18/2010 11:26 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By jbasnight on 2/18/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 2/18/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By jbasnight on 2/18/2010
Terrible change, IMHO. It rewards the coaches who go balls-out trying to sign one or two studs every time and take a bunch of walkons.
No team is going to be good if they are constantly only signing one or two people.

If that's a consistent strategy, it's not a very good one.

I can buy that this helps great coaches with a bunch of EEs, but I cant fathom a scenario where it helps coaches who do what you are saying.

Anyway, I don't really see why this is necessary either, but does it really matter? Any team with more than six new players is going to struggle regardless how good the coach is. It allows them to rebuild after a great season and a bunch of players drafted. I don't see why that's so unfair to the rest of us.

I'm not saying it's a great strategy--in fact, I think it's a very poor strategy, which is why I don't want to see a coach get rewarded for employing it.

Same with the coach with 6 open schollies--a coach with a six-SR class was courting the risk that, if he had any EEs he might have to fill more than 6 slots with only six slots worth of cash. Now that risk has been reduced, if not eliminated.

If it were a risk that the coach had any control over - I agree - the fact is a coach has very very little (if any) control over who goes EE and who doesn't and because of that it is ridiculous to have the money restrictions. Especially since the reason they were in place was to contain class sizes.
2/18/2010 11:26 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 2/18/2010Why was this limit on in the first place? I assume it was to prevent a superclass. If there are already ways to prevent that, i.e. no more than 6 in a class, there is no reason to have this limit. Why should teams with 7 or 8 openings only get cash for 6? Explain how that made sense
Yes.
2/18/2010 11:26 AM
so quick question - since this change was made effective 2/18 and Phelan recruiting started on 2/17, did coaches with more than 6 openings get the extra cash or not??
2/18/2010 11:27 AM
This is a terrible change.

Anything that encourages people to take more walk-ons -- and isack, people do it with regularity at DI -- and lessening the penalty for it is a bad change. It's fostering a stupid, unrealistic recruiting atmosphere. DI teams

Penalties for multiple walk-ons need to be stiffened, not relaxed.

(And if this is really targeting those occasional teams that have six openings and then lose more towards early entries, then perhaps just have it apply to those teams. But rewarding teams that take multiple walk-ons is just an absolutely terrible idea. Seble really needs to come in here and explain the rationale.)

I truly hope they will reconsider.
2/18/2010 11:28 AM

Will they retroactively give us back the cash that we missed out in the past?
2/18/2010 11:30 AM
This is further disappointing because it demonstrates that WIS doesn't really have their finger on the pulse of what HD coaches want and care about, as well as what might be good for the game.

You want to make a small change? I've got a couple dozen of them listed in a thread here that would make the vast majority of people quite happy, and more hopeful about HD as well.
2/18/2010 11:32 AM
Maybe make it so that you need to have all scholarship players to be eligible for getting money for more then 6 guys.
2/18/2010 11:33 AM
I would rather you explain how keeping the limits makes any sense? It doesnt. Why 6? Why not 5? Why not 4? There is no rationale to keep those limits. If you have 8 openings, your team is going to be inexperienced and not that great the following year.
2/18/2010 11:33 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/18/2010
This is a terrible change.

Anything that encourages people to take more walk-ons -- and isack, people do it with regularity at DI -- and lessening the penalty for it is a bad change. It's fostering a stupid, unrealistic recruiting atmosphere. DI teams

Penalties for multiple walk-ons need to be stiffened, not relaxed.

(And if this is really targeting those occasional teams that have six openings and then lose more towards early entries, then perhaps just have it apply to those teams. But rewarding teams that take multiple walk-ons is just an absolutely terrible idea. Seble really needs to come in here and explain the rationale.)

I truly hope they will reconsider.

I can agree with this.
2/18/2010 11:33 AM
I guess that dalter, you know what everyone wants. It was stupid to have the limit.
2/18/2010 11:34 AM
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