Poaching In-Conference Topic

gators55
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I can't stand seeing some conferences have coaches saying sorry for even putting money in on another recruit someone is going for. It makes no sense to me. Recruiting is open for everyone, best man(team) wins.
2/20/2010 10:40 AM
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My philosophy is to do what is best for me. I mean, teams in the same conference generally recruit from the same areas. There are going to be battles.
2/20/2010 11:25 AM
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The key here is being smart though. It hurts the conference overall if several teams waste money battling for the same guy so the ideal outcome is if all coaches involved are smart enough to figure out when to walk away.
2/20/2010 11:28 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 2/20/2010The reason myself and others say there is no poaching, is because by definition it means you are taking a recruit that you don't have a right to, or that you're stealing a recruit that belongs to somebody else. Both are bogus because until that recruit signs he's fair game to everybody.

Exactly the term 'poaching' and what it means is exactly the reason why there is no poaching.
2/20/2010 11:30 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by cheeznsweet on 2/20/2010The key here is being smart though.  It hurts the conference overall if several teams waste money battling for the same guy so the ideal outcome is if all coaches involved are smart enough to figure out when to walk away.

Agreed but just because of that doesn't mean that every coach will be smart, some are stubborn when it comes to recruiting and will continue to pour money into a losing battle.
2/20/2010 11:31 AM
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I am also in the camp that believes "poaching" does not exist for the reason kmasonbx stated above.

With that said, I avoid battling a conference mate over a recruit and am always dismayed when another conference team comes in late on a recruit I have been courting since the first cycle.

Is my philosophy correct...no, actually. Jumping on in-conference recruits late if you suspect a weakness is a solid recruiting strategy, just one I am not willing to do. I consider myself to be a poor DI recruiter due to this very subject.
2/20/2010 11:33 AM
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2/20/2010 11:41 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By alblack56 on 2/20/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 2/20/2010

Just because one team shows up on a list earlier does not "entitle" them to a player.


Tiger Woods wife used to believe the same thing.



Well played.
2/20/2010 11:45 AM
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Personally, I try to avoid recruiting against teams from my conference if I can find an acceptable substitute. That being said, if I get a late start on recruiting due to say, having a life, or if there are no other players that I'm interested in, then I will battle a conference mate for a recruit. I don't like to do it necessarily, but as kelby said, you have to do what's best for your team. Team first, conference second...........
2/20/2010 12:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tmacfan12 on 2/20/2010How can you possibly say there is no such thing as poaching. That makes no sense. The definition of poaching in HD is jumping on to a guy after he is already considering another school for a decent amount of time. There is poaching. If you think its cheap or not is a completely different thing. I personally think there is nothing wrong with poaching but there definitely is poaching.


There is no such thing as poaching in HD. You've been around way long enough to know this. If a coach leaves himself vulnerable to someone coming in and "taking" one of his recruits, that's his problem and he should have thought his recruiting out a little better.
2/20/2010 12:47 PM
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You should always allow your conference mate to sign the player, so he can use the guy to beat you at least 4 times.
2/20/2010 12:53 PM
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i don't really get the whole debate over the use of the word poaching. if thats what a large group of people want to call it, then so be it. doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it.

i personally try not to battle conference mates. i like the conference spirit, and a feeling of conference unity. we all benefit in the end of the season. so, ive never jumped on a guy late in recruiting who was considering a conf mate alone. but, i wouldn't have a problem if somebody did it to me. i would just treat them like any other school, from then on.

the only time a conf battle bothers me is when there is absolutely no question to who will win the battle, and its just a complete waste of money. but still, its no big deal. i just don't see the point.
2/20/2010 12:57 PM
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Billyg, I think it has to do with the fact that the word poaching has a negative connotation to it, when what some would describe as poaching in the HD sense isn't wrong at all to many of us.
2/20/2010 1:21 PM
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It's so refreshing to read a post that instead of having constructive feedback is mostly an attempt for folks to be the grammar police. Instead of using a single word like poaching, we should all explain that "I started to recruit a player and had him only considering me. And it stayed that way for several cycles after that. But then just before signings started another team entered into the mix and now the player is considering that team. I was able to get him back on my side after the next cycle, but it really seems like we are battling after him now!". It's so much better to use those 75 words than it would be to say "poaching".

Threads like this and the great ******* match that is taking place in the Mentally Ill thread are what makes this forum a must read everyday.

For what it is worth, at D3 I won't even think about going after a recruit that I'd like to get if a guy in my conference is already is after him. I might be able to win the battle but it's going to probably hurt me and it almost for sure will hurt him more and for purposes of RPI and tournament money I'd rather not do that.

At D2 things change a bit but you still normally have replacement talent around. You'll probably bruise each other instead of breaking bones like you would at D3 so I'll do my best to avoid it but I have gone to war to protect players that are within 70 miles.

At D1, you might not have a replacement target. So I think if circumstances dictate it, I wouldn't think twice about it.
2/20/2010 1:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kujayhawk on 2/20/2010It's so refreshing to read a post that instead of having constructive feedback is mostly an attempt for folks to be the grammar police. Instead of using a single word like poaching, we should all explain that "I started to recruit a player and had him only considering me. And it stayed that way for several cycles after that. But then just before signings started another team entered into the mix and now the player is considering that team. I was able to get him back on my side after the next cycle, but it really seems like we are battling after him now!". It's so much better to use those 75 words than it would be to say "poaching".

Or you could just not make a post about it, because it isn't post worthy.
2/20/2010 1:36 PM
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