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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/09/2010Overall seedings (including NT) need to take quality of wins into account. As colonels said, just playing a tough schedule and getting your *** kicked by everyone isn't really worth a damn. (See, I have no problem agreeing with you on some things, colonels!
I appreciate your cander, thank you
3/9/2010 12:52 PM
I don't care about your RL rankings they have 0 to do with HD. If you are so sure you can do it for HD and be 'better' then do it, otherwise its all talk and it is getting very annoying to many to hear your propoganda for your website. That is all you are ever doing here, regardless of if you will admit it or not, is trying to up the flow to your ****** website. It is annoying and if I were WIS I would have banned you for it by now.
3/9/2010 12:52 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010I don't care about your RL rankings they have 0 to do with HD. I would basically be using the same format so it has everything to do with HD.If you are so sure you can do it for HD and be 'better' then do it, otherwise its all talk and it is getting very annoying to many to hear your propoganda for your website. FWIW, I haven't and do not intend to post my web address here. People know where to find it if they want to look, as I have designated threads for my rankings. For you to suggest that I can't reference my website AT ALL, is just plain silly, especially when its directly relevant to the conversation. I can do it better than WIS, its just that the information isn't readily available in a usable form on a grand scale, given the fact that 1 or 2 games a day occur all the time. If WIS had some sort of DAILY SCHEDULE listed somewhere, I would at least attempt it, but since that isn't the case, its virtually impossible to accomplish, especially given the fact that I wouldn't be making any money off of what I would be doing. Going out of my way for multiple hours to prove 4 or 5 people that my system works FOR FREE is ridiculous and simply not worth it, considering my RL rankings do the same as what they would for HD.That is all you are ever doing here, regardless of if you will admit it or not, is trying to up the flow to your ****** website. LOL, even if that were the case, its not like it helps. It is annoying and if I were WIS I would have banned you for it by now. I've been posting my website and rankings for 6 years now and no WIS employee has ever said a thing to me.
3/9/2010 12:59 PM
One more thing about the daily schedule I was talking about...the following website is where I type all of the cbb scores in from and if WIS had a similar listing, I would be more than willing to compile one ranking for one division for one season, if something like this were in place...

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/schedule/_/date/20100306

By going to each team page on WIS HD and typing in all the scores, I would basically be doing double the work that I already do, because I'll be typing up every score twice when I should only have to do it 1 time, and the workload is the biggest problem with the project currently.

Just look at it from my end...what's the easier way to obtain information...

A. Viewing 35 pages containing all division games played with no duplicates.

or

B. Viewing 276-384 pages containing all division games played with duplicates for EVERY SINGLE GAME.
3/9/2010 1:10 PM
that pi tournament has to be pretty crappy if a 12-17 team is a 1 seed in one of the brackets.
3/9/2010 1:20 PM
colonels. your system might be great when its following "other" rules.

under the current system for RPI coaches schedule a certain way. and then then are ranked accordingly...

MAYBE your system does do a good job of ranking them...

BUUUUUUT. the thing is, if we used your scoring system, coaches would schedule differently. It seems like your system puts little (if any) stock into how opponents' opponents fare.

As a self proclaimed "glitch-finder" i would have to say that your system would be "gamed" within a season or two.. and there would be WAY worse anomalies.
3/9/2010 1:32 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 3/09/2010colonels. your system might be great when its following "other" rules.

under the current system for RPI coaches schedule a certain way. and then then are ranked accordingly...

MAYBE your system does do a good job of ranking them...

BUUUUUUT. the thing is, if we used your scoring system, coaches would schedule differently. It seems like your system puts little (if any) stock into how opponents' opponents fare. It accounts for more than you think and moreover is properly accounted for.

As a self proclaimed "glitch-finder" i would have to say that your system would be "gamed" within a season or two.. and there would be WAY worse anomalies. I'd really like you to specify here. You could "game" any system out there, mine...the way the current RPI is "gamed', or any other that you can come up with. Nothing is "game" proof per se, but you can curb it by adjusting the non-con scheduling format, namely only allowing 5H/5A games, and perhaps just let the non-con go random altogether. I don't have a problem with how it is and my system would account for it appropriately.
3/9/2010 1:37 PM
FWIW, the RPI doesn't account for many important factors, like who you beat and who you lost to...its just a conglomerated win% based on 25myrec-50opprec-25oppopprec...thus how 25myrec occured doesn't matter, it just matters that you won X percentage of games, and furthermore, RPI doesn't account at all for point margin, which should be an integral part of any ranking system IMO.

There's an enormous difference in a 1-26 record against let's say the #50 schedule if your 1 win was over #1 or if your 1 win was over #324, and like I said, RPI doesn't account for this.
3/9/2010 1:50 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/09/2010
One more thing about the daily schedule I was talking about...the following website is where I type all of the cbb scores in from and if WIS had a similar listing, I would be more than willing to compile one ranking for one division for one season, if something like this were in place...

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/schedule/_/date/20100306

By going to each team page on WIS HD and typing in all the scores, I would basically be doing double the work that I already do, because I'll be typing up every score twice when I should only have to do it 1 time, and the workload is the biggest problem with the project currently.

Just look at it from my end...what's the easier way to obtain information...

A. Viewing 35 pages containing all division games played with no duplicates.

or

B. Viewing 276-384 pages containing all division games played with duplicates for EVERY SINGLE GAME.

we went down this path before in threads several weeks ago and despite several volunteers the colonel did not step forward to organize an approach for several of us who offering send the needed data for a test....as this thread moves into yet another discussion of the colonel's rating scheme, keep in mind we have all been there before
3/9/2010 2:29 PM
He continues to make excuses as to why he can't do it, while continuing to tell us how good it is.

It doesn't work that way , either do it or get off your high horse colonels.
3/9/2010 2:39 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010
He continues to make excuses as to why he can't do it, while continuing to tell us how good it is.

It doesn't work that way , either do it or get off your high horse colonels.

And yet each time he starts one of these stupid threads; the same people continue to take the bait and respond to him which only gives him an audience. He's a joke but you all continue to respond. He starts a thread like this twice a week about some "crazy" result or seeding "issues" and his dumb a$$ formula. Just once I'd like to see him start a thread and receive zero replies. If this would happen I assure you he'd stop posting and wasting everybodys time.
3/9/2010 3:31 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/09/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010

He continues to make excuses as to why he can't do it, while continuing to tell us how good it is.

It doesn't work that way , either do it or get off your high horse colonels.

And yet each time he starts one of these stupid threads; the same people continue to take the bait and respond to him which only gives him an audience. He's a joke but you all continue to respond. He starts a thread like this twice a week about some "crazy" result or seeding "issues" and his dumb a$$ formula. Just once I'd like to see him start a thread and receive zero replies. If this would happen I assure you he'd stop posting and wasting everybodys time.

I appologize to the forum police.

If he gets off with my 2-3 posts i make a day now, more power to him, maybe he is more like diablow then i thought.
3/9/2010 3:45 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/09/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/09/2010

He continues to make excuses as to why he can't do it, while continuing to tell us how good it is.

It doesn't work that way , either do it or get off your high horse colonels.

And yet each time he starts one of these stupid threads; the same people continue to take the bait and respond to him which only gives him an audience. He's a joke but you all continue to respond. He starts a thread like this twice a week about some "crazy" result or seeding "issues" and his dumb a$$ formula. Just once I'd like to see him start a thread and receive zero replies. If this would happen I assure you he'd stop posting and wasting everybodys time.

I appologize to the forum police.

If he gets off with my 2-3 posts i make a day now, more power to him, maybe he is more like diablow then i thought.

Funny, Z...very funny.
3/9/2010 3:49 PM
Win margin is a meaningless stat, you've been told that before and it's still true. It is an anecdotal stat that only a human can put value on, thus the seeding committee in RL. Any forumula that thinks it can use it successfully is just asking to be gamed.

BTW, the RPI formula certianly does factor in who you beat and who you lost to, just not the way you would like it to.
3/9/2010 3:53 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/09/2010
I appologize to the forum police.

If he gets off with my 2-3 posts i make a day now, more power to him, maybe he is more like diablow then i thought.

Funny, Z...very funny
3/9/2010 4:01 PM
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