Crazy Ticket Response & Fatigue Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/10/2010In your opinion.  In my opinion, it's an excellent addition to the game.  The Yankees would not give their pitchers AB at DH.  So neither should you.  But, if you do, you know you've ruined him for pitching for quite some time.   Therefore, you won't try to skate by with 9 position players and 11 pitchers to save cap space.  BRAVO, WIFS!!  BRAVO!!!

Why would that stop me from skating by with 9 position players? If my strategy is to play a pitcher at DH to save cap space you think I would care if he drops to 0 (0)? Obviously if I am trying to win, or if I care if I win, I would not be intentionally playing a Pitcher at DH that is probably going to be a automatic out.

3/10/2010 6:37 PM
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Mike- address the abandoned franchise concern, if you would. I'm a little concerned that having a team's entire crop of pitching prospects ruined is bad for the World. Would you feel good about this happening in a World you Commish? Also, does this happen when position players pitch? If not, shouldn't it, to prevent teams from skimping on pitchers in the minors?
3/10/2010 6:38 PM
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Its not coaches who intentionally abuse the system that will be punished, because they don't care if a pitcher is 0 (0).
3/10/2010 6:45 PM
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I guess the question is whether the AI is capable of realizing that it is preferable to PROMOTE a player or sign a minor league FA than it is to let a pitcher bat 30 times.

But this guy even admits that it is "due to my own failure to have enough uninjured hitters." meaning he was either too lazy to promote AA/A players to fill the slots or too unwilling to shop for minor league FA and waiver wire pickups to give a crap about killing one of his pitchers.

He's trying to get Admin to clean up his mess, which happens far too often around here. If he was logging in during the seven cycles, then it ceases to be an Admin/CustomerService issue, and becomes a "pay attention to your goddam team and quicherbitchin" issue.
3/10/2010 6:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 3/10/2010Mike- address the abandoned franchise concern, if you would. I'm a little concerned that having a team's entire crop of pitching prospects ruined is bad for the World. Would you feel good about this happening in a World you Commish? Also, does this happen when position players pitch? If not, shouldn't it, to prevent teams from skimping on pitchers in the minors
It happens to position players who pitch too.

This came up during the great fatigue wars of the first couple of seasons, when there were virtually no pitchers in the minors that were above 20/60 for dur/sta, and we ended up with entire staffs of 0(0). Several of us figured out how to take a crappy 1B/DH and pitch him for 30 straight games, and rest our pitching staffs without risking a legit prospect. Of course this led to some exciting 30-25 shootouts that tired out the hitters as well...

Admin responded by creating gobs of 20/80/50/20/20 pitchers and filling the tryout camps with them... and VOILA, no more fatigue problems in the minors. Until now....
3/10/2010 6:53 PM
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I get the impression it was the previous owner's failure, but either way that's really the issue- if an owner fails to log in, a couple of players get injured, and the AI is incapable of making a move to fix it before a new owner can be put in place, I'd hate to see 5 or 6 significant prospects suffer major damage. I have no problem with those who don't pay attention getting what they deserve.
3/10/2010 6:56 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by toddcommish on 3/10/2010I guess the question is whether the AI is capable of realizing that it is preferable to PROMOTE a player or sign a minor league FA than it is to let a pitcher bat 30 times.But this guy even admits that it is "due to my own failure to have enough uninjured hitters." meaning he was either too lazy to promote AA/A players to fill the slots or too unwilling to shop for minor league FA and waiver wire pickups to give a crap about killing one of his pitchers.He's trying to get Admin to clean up his mess, which happens far too often around here.  If he was logging in during the seven cycles, then it ceases to be an Admin/CustomerService issue, and becomes a "pay attention to your goddam team and quicherbitchin" issue. 




He is not asking for WIS to clean up his mess, that is a silly reason. That makes about as much sense as if a LF plays 2nd base that the player should die.. He is just looking to correct mistakes without some unrealistic severe penalty that is coded into the game.

If a pitcher bats for X amount of games the penalty is the Pitcher bats for X amount of games instead of the much better Hitter, that is realistic and is included in the game. To add in some very extreme penalty that is very unrealistic is not a believable excuse in my opinion. I am betting that WIS can't correct this problem and uses the current reason as a excuse to justify this flaw in the game.
3/10/2010 7:06 PM
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I'm the commish in this world and sharrow took over for the abandoned team. The original owner did not sign any minor league free agents, not even his own and them without enough players, completely ignoring his minor league system. Once I got him out and sharrow in sharrow filled up the minor league system as needed but the damage was already done. He promoted the AAA pitcher because he was the best he had not anticipating he'd never recover and now I believe that pitcher is without options so can't be returned to AAA to sit on the deactivated list the rest of the season, but must sit and rest the remainder of the season and fill a ML spot, not improving and essentially ruining his career as a viable ML pitcher. It's absurd that he's so fatigued from 29 AB's as a DH.

This result also will make it very difficult to find new owners for poorly managed team. A result which, I am sure, WIS does not want...
3/10/2010 7:16 PM
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Funny, if having an extra position player or two on the bench in the minors will stop success from reaching his major league team, he hasn't budgeted or built very well at all.
3/10/2010 7:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 3/10/2010I get the impression it was the previous owner's failure, but either way that's really the issue- if an owner fails to log in, a couple of players get injured, and the AI is incapable of making a move to fix it before a new owner can be put in place, I'd hate to see 5 or 6 significant prospects suffer major damage. I have no problem with those who don't pay attention getting what they deserve
AI will call up players to fill in, as long as you allow AI to manage your minor leagues.
3/10/2010 7:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By eeyore1959 on 3/10/2010Funny, if having an extra position player or two on the bench in the minors will stop success from reaching his major league team, he hasn't budgeted or built very well at all
Do you read? It was not the current owner's fault. He took over the abandoned team with the damage already done.
3/10/2010 7:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jonas1102 on 3/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 3/10/2010
I get the impression it was the previous owner's failure, but either way that's really the issue- if an owner fails to log in, a couple of players get injured, and the AI is incapable of making a move to fix it before a new owner can be put in place, I'd hate to see 5 or 6 significant prospects suffer major damage. I have no problem with those who don't pay attention getting what they deserve.
AI will call up players to fill in, as long as you allow AI to manage your minor leagues
Not if there's less than 20 in the level below, which was the case here.
3/10/2010 7:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 3/10/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/10/2010
In your opinion. In my opinion, it's an excellent addition to the game. The Yankees would not give their pitchers AB at DH. So neither should you. But, if you do, you know you've ruined him for pitching for quite some time. Therefore, you won't try to skate by with 9 position players and 11 pitchers to save cap space.

BRAVO, WIFS!! BRAVO!!!

Why would that stop me from skating by with 9 position players? If my strategy is to play a pitcher at DH to save cap space you think I would care if he drops to 0 (0)? Obviously if I am trying to win, or if I care if I win, I would not be intentionally playing a Pitcher at DH that is probably going to be a automatic out.



Then you'd have no reason to complain.



BRAVO, WIFS!!! BRAVO!!!!
3/10/2010 7:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 3/10/2010
Mike- address the abandoned franchise concern, if you would. I'm a little concerned that having a team's entire crop of pitching prospects ruined is bad for the World. Would you feel good about this happening in a World you Commish? Also, does this happen when position players pitch? If not, shouldn't it, to prevent teams from skimping on pitchers in the minors?



Owners who take over abandoned teams are playing for free. It's their job to fix the problems that were created. Not beg WifS to fix them.

BRAVO, WIFS!!! BRAVO!!!!
3/10/2010 7:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ARomano on 3/10/2010
I'm the commish in this world and sharrow took over for the abandoned team. The original owner did not sign any minor league free agents, not even his own and them without enough players, completely ignoring his minor league system. Once I got him out and sharrow in sharrow filled up the minor league system as needed but the damage was already done. He promoted the AAA pitcher because he was the best he had not anticipating he'd never recover and now I believe that pitcher is without options so can't be returned to AAA to sit on the deactivated list the rest of the season, but must sit and rest the remainder of the season and fill a ML spot, not improving and essentially ruining his career as a viable ML pitcher. It's absurd that he's so fatigued from 29 AB's as a DH.

This result also will make it very difficult to find new owners for poorly managed team. A result which, I am sure, WIS does not want...



No it won't. People will take over abandoned teams and play for free all day. And I'm sure the pitcher will recover in the off-season.

BRAVO, WIFS!!!! BRAVO!!!!
3/10/2010 7:36 PM
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