John, i see bunkerbuster took Bates to there first ever post season tournament ever it was a great job by him.

1) i took a player without FSSing him once. ... never again. I guess you could find the stuff out through evals, but i prefer FSS and like ac and finn said, you just have to be a little smarter with your money and pick your battles very carefully (which basically means- "stay away from battles in D3")

2) agree with JohnS... they should be able to fix it. im no programmer, but there has to be a way.

The D3 cost would be a lot more manageable if you only got charged for scouting guys in your vision. I'm hoping they tweak this in the new engine. Dealing with FSS in D3 must be brutal for newbies.

where FSS does suck is if you are in a big state (NY and PA come to mind) and on a limited budget (1 or 2 schollies).

It makes it harder to recruit for sure, but everyone is dealing with the same problems.

I really wish you could choose what your asst coach evaluated when you did an eval. nothing is worse than having him scout a PG and telling you that his has low pot in REB, LP, high stamina.

Quote: Originally posted by acn24 on 5/01/2010You can use FSS in DIII without any big deal. I'll usually do several states, including any of the following: PA, MD, WV, NJ, DE, VA, DC, NY. It isn't terribly cost prohibitive, you just have to be smarter about your money.

This. I have no problems recruiting.

I'm sitting in DIII and didn't have a huge issue with the FSS. Granted I had to pay for a lot of guys not in my vision, but it was a big help and I still had cash to spare.

Part of that may be though that I am pretty isolated out in Colorado so don't end up with too many battles anyway.

yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing someway for D3 coaches to only pay for say unranked players? That would not be a big change in cost, but a tiny bit that would help at D3, taking 1000 players out of our reach.

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Quote: Originally posted by krindor on 5/01/2010I think he is complaining about coaches with multiple teams, one in DIII and one (or more) in higher divisions using the cash from the higher division team to scout the state of the lower division. That way the lower division has all the scouting info, but never paid for it....

People definitely do this, in fact there appears to be a coach in a world that starts with a P who doesn't even bother to change his screenname by more than adding a number or something silly like that to his main name in each id. I don't know if he cheats but the fact that he has that many teams in one world makes things shady.

there is also a coach whose name starts with a g. or a c in this case. (i am talking about myself, and my first name gillispie and third gillispie1). my question for you is, if the guy with a P or myself or the many other coaches with similarly named alternate account was planning on using those accounts to cheat with himself... wouldn't we all try to hide the fact? i mean, its a million times easier to tell that a guy is colluding with himself when you know his screen names.

also, here are a couple non-shady reasons a person might want multiple teams in one world (and really a ton of people have them):
- dont want to abandon old teams and all that effort
- fall in love with a conference but want to move up
- want to consolidate recruiting seasons to minimize sleepless night

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I have 4 teams under 3 IDs, 2 each in Wooden and Naismith, in both cases in d3 and d1. I have never once scouted a state for a team with the other team's money. In Wooden the teams are far from each other (NY and Cali), but in Naismith I often pay to scout a couple of states, say, VA and NC, from both schools (Marymount in DC and NC State).

I've never hidden the multiple IDs for cheating purposes, and the reasons for multiples in the same worlds are exactly as gillispie stated above, plus one more-- joined d3 later in Naismith at a new conference to play with a bunch of my RL friends.

There are many players doing the same thing.

That said, i think limiting recruiting FSS to "nobody below your division" is an excellent idea. This would eliminate the possibility, while still letting d3 guys look at d2 players, and d2 at d1, for the purposes of dropdowns/pulldowns.

and if you're using lower-division recruiting money to scout for a higher-division team, you're an idiot, and i welcome you in my conference.

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Quote: Originally Posted By fatchance on 5/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by krindor on 5/01/2010
I think he is complaining about coaches with multiple teams, one in DIII and one (or more) in higher divisions using the cash from the higher division team to scout the state of the lower division. That way the lower division has all the scouting info, but never paid for it....

People definitely do this, in fact there appears to be a coach in a world that starts with a P who doesn't even bother to change his screenname by more than adding a number or something silly like that to his main name in each id. I don't know if he cheats but the fact that he has that many teams in one world makes things shady.

if this is happening (and I have no idea if it is), seems an easy fix. just make it so people can't view FSS for divisions lower than they're in. So for my LSU team in Knight, I can't see DII and DIII FSS info for LA, TX, etc. People who know programming: can't this be done easily?

Doesn't work. Any decent coach who pulls down would still be able to do it. If I have a D1 and D2 team, I can FSS in D1 and use that to pull guys down for my D2 team. It's stupid that people do it anyway. It's just a game, I don't have any idea why people would cheat. I know that's not the reality of it, but it just seems stupid.

EDIT: That said, I've never had a problem recruiting in D3, even in Wooden.

NO matter what you do, people will fidn a way to cheat. Even if you had no FSS, people coudl just get a team and, as I think Furry said, just use scouting reports on a player and get information>< Someone bound and determined to cheat, will.

Quote: Originally Posted By fatchance on 5/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by krindor on 5/01/2010 I think he is complaining about coaches with multiple teams, one in DIII and one (or more) in higher divisions using the cash from the higher division team to scout the state of the lower division. That way the lower division has all the scouting info, but never paid for it....

People definitely do this, in fact there appears to be a coach in a world that starts with a P who doesn't even bother to change his screenname by more than adding a number or something silly like that to his main name in each id. I don't know if he cheats but the fact that he has that many teams in one world makes things shady

I dont change my name cause I want it to be obvious it is me. There are tons of coaches with alt id's under different names(even in the same division) that you would never know who is who in fact there may be more then i even know about. Do some cheat? I have no idea nor do I worry about it. CS told me I can have them as long as the distance is far enough apart. D3 wooden recruting is similar to d2 rupp or some d1 worlds because of the amount of coaches not because of all the alt id's. If you know how to recruit you can survive(but yes it can be tough). If I was such a cheater whould i have my A++ prestige d3 team to take a team that never made the nt? Im not all about wining I did this for the funner conf and have a conf tourney. I could easily have id's that hid my identity and never talk to anyone and then no one would know. But I feel I have nothing to hide so I make it obvious that it is me.

I never used FSS at D3. It's just not worth it and not necessary. A couple scouting trips would be the most I would do on a player I was pulling down or waiting to drop (I only recruited from the D2 list, so all drop-downs). Maybe someone who cheats with another team has a slight edge. But only slight. It isn't "ruining" the game. The best D3 dynasty coaches aren't winning championships because they're cheating, they're just good coaches and recruiters.

exactly