Changing coach hiring Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 5/17/2010
Dumbing it down seems to be the best option. Of those options, this one seems to be the best:

Remove individual coaches and instead break apart the Coaching budget item by level. Each level budget would then drive all coaching effects. There would be a minimum and maxium budget for each level with a total minimum (across all levels) of $7M and a total max of $30M. The effect of the budget would also be relative to the other 31 franchises in the world. This would eliminate the ability to transfer money to/from coaching.



+1. Setting budget for each level makes more sense then by "role".
5/17/2010 12:38 PM
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Not sure why they didn't include multi-year contracts for coaches, or the ability to promote/fire/hire mid-season, etc. as an option.
5/17/2010 12:45 PM
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because that is simply a way to make a bad process even worse?
5/17/2010 12:48 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 5/17/2010Not sure why they didn't include multi-year contracts for coaches, or the ability to promote/fire/hire mid-season, etc. as an option.

i'm guessing they only included options that were feasible in the near-term coding-wise
5/17/2010 12:49 PM
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I'm not so sure about that. Seems to me that changing the whole approach to coaches from individuals to just a generic budget is going to involve a change to the entire player development part of the game engine. And we all know how well they've historically done with preventing "unintended consequences" that their tweaks have produced in in the game engine.

Keeping individual coaches but adding more bells and whistles to what you can do with them would also involve a fair amount of coding but would introduce less risk of regression to the developmental engine.
5/17/2010 12:55 PM
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Seems to me that the coding would just switch from "Development of Player A is tied to Coach A at Level 2" to "Deveopment of Player A is tied to Coaching Staff LoA." Not a big change.
5/17/2010 12:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By soxfan121 on 5/17/2010
Can anyone name a coach on their current team?

I hope one of the "remove individual coaches" options wins.
Im fairly certain one of those will. Hopefully if those 3 options split 80% of the total, but 'keep the same' gets the highest percentage individually, they will choose the most popular "remove individual coaches" option.

It seems thats their preference.
5/17/2010 1:10 PM
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The "remove individual coaches" falls under the category of DUMBING THE GAME DOWN.

It isn't really difficult to budget money for hiring, targeting the best coaches, and executing a strategy to get better coaches than anyone else. But it takes some effort, and WIS seems determined to cater to the lowest (dumbest, laziest) common denominator, and reduce the variance in coaching to help the dumbasses.
5/17/2010 1:16 PM
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While I agree, that is where we're going. It's best to get the best option of dumbing the game down as opposed to fighting the losing battle and getting the option the dumbasses want. Which, inevitably, will be the dumbest of the dumbed down options.
5/17/2010 1:17 PM
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It's hard for me to offer an opinion on how to change coaching when I don't really understand how it works now. I have a ton of questions, some of which have been speculated on here. How much does a bench coach help player development? Is there an actual difference between a 75 HC and an 85 HC? If so, how much? Does your bullpen coach only help relievers? Does only your highest rating for an element at a level count, or are their effects cumulative in some way? What effects do patience and discipline really have on development?

If we don't revamp the whole thing, I'd like to have the ability for high-loyalty coaches to be rehired at the same level as they were last year instead of having to release them because they want to jump to a level where I already have someone much better. Maybe even have that ability cost a few points of loyalty to prevent this from being an every-year thing. I'd also like the flipside of this: the ability to promote a coach to a higher level during the rehire process.
5/17/2010 1:22 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by toddcommish on 5/17/2010The "remove individual coaches" falls under the category of DUMBING THE GAME DOWN. 
Not necessarily. If WIS keeps budgets related to what what other owners are doing it is still strategic.

Simplifying and Dumbing Down aren't the same thing.
5/17/2010 1:29 PM
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Its kinda dumbing it down. I dont mind how it currently is with the only exception being better logic is needed when a coach is deciding between different roiles at the same level (bc vs fc in particular).

Also the one thing we shouldnt discount is that this will possibly reduce the length of an HBD season. We already have too much time for coach hiring and free agency. This would be an opportunity to shave a couple days off the season and increase revenue for WIS.
5/17/2010 1:35 PM
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Hell, if they want to reduce the length of a HBD season, they should start with Spring Training. That is the biggest waste of 6 days known to man.
5/17/2010 1:39 PM
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I truly hope they do not eliminate individual coaches. Hiring for each level allows you to strategically build to your style of play and to the players currently in your minors. It will be less strategic and far less interesting if you only designate budget to each level or to each aspect of the game. Eliminating coaches oversimplifies and dumbs the game down.
5/17/2010 1:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 5/17/2010Hell, if they want to reduce the length of a HBD season, they should start with Spring Training. That is the biggest waste of 6 days known to man
true dat.
5/17/2010 1:46 PM
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