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seton hall is a very young team and score seems right, old dave's bunch is a FB team which are prone to crazy bad games....other 2 squads are hall of fame coached teams.....
6/5/2010 3:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 6/05/2010one point loss no big deal, but I am hard pressed to find manysingle digit games with the new engine, the problem I am seeing is 30 pt wins at home, 30 pts losses on the road to either the same team or teams of the same level, uconn beats syracuse by 30, syracuse beats georgetown by 30, geargetown beats uconn by 30, all won by home teams for example

If it is a problem, we will all see it soon enough, if it isn't, not big deal - I would guess it has something to do with HCA being too strong, esp in the A range (hence d3 would not even see the issue),

maybe a little to do with the engine std deviation of results being just a bit too high (not sure if that is worded the right way, what I mean is we get too many 80-50 games vs even teams, we would like to have more 68-62 games)

Having lots of 68-62 games happen, while still having the better teams winning more often than a coin flip, has always been an issue, probably a little more with the new engine, but only cause my guess is lots of tarek's tweeks for the past 5 years were to try and balance that sort of thing.

will be interesting to say the least

Not counting exhibition games, I have played 88 games under the new engine. I've had 29 of 88 games with a margin of 10 points or less (of those 29, 6 were at exactly 10 points). Not sure what this means exactly, just throwing some numbers out there.
6/5/2010 3:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mtngoats on 6/05/2010seton hall is a very young team and score seems right, old dave's bunch is a FB team which are prone to crazy bad games....other 2 squads are hall of fame coached teams....
I guess I'm a ****** coach. Hall of Fame coaches or not, I should not be losing by 30+ points with the team I've got. And, while those are two great coaches, I do think that I'm a pretty good coach as well.
6/5/2010 4:19 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 6/05/2010one point loss no big deal, but I am hard pressed to find many single digit games with the new engine, the problem I am seeing is 30 pt wins at home, 30 pts losses on the road to either the same team or teams of the same level, uconn beats syracuse by 30, syracuse beats georgetown by 30, geargetown beats uconn by 30, all won by home teams for example
If it is a problem, we will all see it soon enough, if it isn't, not big deal - I would guess it has something to do with HCA being too strong, esp in the A range (hence d3 would not even see the issue),

maybe a little to do with the engine std deviation of results being just a bit too high (not sure if that is worded the right way, what I mean is we get too many 80-50 games vs even teams, we would like to have more 68-62 games)


I'm not seeing the complaints above in my world. I'm 8-2 on the road so far, no home games yet. Most of teams I played had decent HCA and I still blew them out. I only lost by 9 and 10 in the two losses, but they were close for much of the game.

So, FWIW my small sample to your small samples...
6/5/2010 4:32 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by cthomas22255 on 6/05/2010
Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 6/05/2010one point loss no big deal, but I am hard pressed to find many single digit games with the new engine, the problem I am seeing is 30 pt wins at home, 30 pts losses on the road to either the same team or teams of the same level, uconn beats syracuse by 30, syracuse beats georgetown by 30, geargetown beats uconn by 30, all won by home teams for exampleIf it is a problem, we will all see it soon enough, if it isn't, not big deal - I would guess it has something to do with HCA being too strong, esp in the A range (hence d3 would not even see the issue),

maybe a little to do with the engine std deviation of results being just a bit too high (not sure if that is worded the right way, what I mean is we get too many 80-50 games vs even teams, we would like to have more 68-62 games)

I'm not seeing the complaints above in my world. I'm 8-2 on the road so far, no home games yet. Most of teams I played had decent HCA and I still blew them out. I only lost by 9 and 10 in the two losses, but they were close for much of the game.

So, FWIW my small sample to your small samples...

I actually have 7 teams active with the new engine

we also have tracked this in our conference, which has 12 teams sort of looking at it in tark.

so my sample size is 7 to 18 times larger than yours

but really, if you reread what I said, I said we will all know soon enough, I could care less what you or I think right now, we will all know in a short while, only matters what seble thinks or measures - the purpose of these threads is to alert people to look for trends
6/5/2010 4:45 PM
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I think that the margins need to be adjusted. I have played 27 games with the new engine. In Phelan my KU team (7-3) has won a game by 71 pts and lost by 39 pts on the road to a team that is not much better than mine if at all.

In Tark, Stanford is 17-0 and has played only 3 games where the margin of victory was less than 12 pts (12, 10, 7). This afternoon I beat rpi 29 at home by 63 pts. I had an earlier home game against rpi 2, Cal, that I won by 29 pts. I play rpi 2 again tonight and fully expect to lose by 30.
6/5/2010 7:23 PM
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I am starting to agree more and more with this, grecian. Have you sent a ticket w. examples?
6/5/2010 7:29 PM
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This did not come up during beta testing?
6/5/2010 7:31 PM
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We are currently playing with a VERY different engine than the one we last used for Beta.
6/5/2010 7:33 PM
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Have not sent a ticket in yet. Will try and put something together. Recently moved and things have been busy on the homefront.

Was hard to get a grasp on this in beta since games were simmed in groups. Lots of people stopped paying attention and there was a switch at some point that made the games more competitive. I thought there might have been a change last night when Stanford beat a team by 12 at home that I had beaten by 30 on the road before but the afternoon games showed there wasn't a change. Not sure how much if at all seble is tweaking the engine day-to-day. I'll have a better grasp when all 4 of my teams are playing at the same time.
6/5/2010 7:41 PM
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I have not taken the time to go down the rabbit hole to see what may be going on but it does seem like there are too many blowouts.
6/5/2010 8:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 6/05/2010
I beat Syracuse by 33 at home. I lose to Rutgers by 48 on the road. I beat Seton Hall by 27 at home. I lost to UConn by 26 on the road. All of these teams are pretty even in terms of talent. The results should match that. The results are nuts.

Did I once say I should have won. No. I said the results are nuts.

sull, these guys arent listening or dont care. you have a valid point and hopefully seble will notice and make some adjustments to try to resolve the issue.
6/5/2010 9:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mtngoats on 6/05/2010seton hall is a very young team and score seems right, old dave's bunch is a FB team which are prone to crazy bad games....other 2 squads are hall of fame coached teams....


so its okay for FB teams to have silly results?



and by the way, for those who keep bringing up the fact that several of sully's losses in this discussion were to "hall of fame coaches"....

you may not have noticed... but sully aint exactly chopped liver. is embee a "better" coach? maybe... maybe not, but i will garun-friggin-tee you that he is not 48 points better than the sull-dude. thats just nonsense.

6/5/2010 9:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 6/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By mtngoats on 6/05/2010
seton hall is a very young team and score seems right, old dave's bunch is a FB team which are prone to crazy bad games....other 2 squads are hall of fame coached teams.....
I guess I'm a ****** coach. Hall of Fame coaches or not, I should not be losing by 30+ points with the team I've got. And, while those are two great coaches, I do think that I'm a pretty good coach as well
sully, you really do not have to defend yourself to these guys. they are just trying to jerk your chain or something. there is no rational explanation for what is happening.

i guess the naysayers could say "small sample size and over time things will even out" or some such crap. ... maybe i could buy that (probably not, but maybe)...., still, any rational person would have to recognize the results are whacky.

again, to suggest that the results are not too far off the norm because you are going against good coaches... thats just nonsense.

ignore them.
6/5/2010 9:41 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 6/05/2010I actually have 7 teams active with the new engine
we also have tracked this in our conference, which has 12 teams sort of looking at it in tark.

so my sample size is 7 to 18 times larger than yours

but really, if you reread what I said, I said we will all know soon enough, I could care less what you or I think right now, we will all know in a short while, only matters what seble thinks or measures - the purpose of these threads is to alert people to look for trends

oldresorter, sorry, I wasn't knocking on your rather large sample. I just was stating that HCA didn't seem to me as strong as some people were making it out to be.

If you've seen the other threads, the blowouts I'm seeing are a function of the much higher rate of fouls and much higher rates of FTAs. The teams getting blown out usually have a huge disparity in their FTAs compared to the winning team. I've said there repeatedly that those games wouldn't have been blownouts in the old engine.

CS has said they're tracking the FT disparity but think that it's a function of unathletic teams still trying to run the press.
6/5/2010 9:47 PM
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