Yes this is very stupid. Seble apparently has an engine release coming out soon but doesnt want to put it out yet because some worlds are in the NT. Isnt that what the release is made for, to prevent randomness so that better teams will advance in the NT? But whatever, again right now the engine is way too random so Im hoping the change makes it less so.

1) Bucknell had a noticeable IQ advantage on you. About two-thirds of his minutes were played at A+/A; your minutes on offense were split evenly between A- and B-, with a sprinkling of A+. You were a little sharper on defense, but it's still a big edge for Bucknell.

2) You ran a depressingly predictable offense. Despite having multiple players with good-to-excellent PER ratings, the only one you let shoot threes was Hammontree, which means you were actually vulnerable to the old -5/DT trick that Bucknell used against you.

Are those reasons enough to overcome the huge talent gap and 'justify' the upset? Maybe, maybe not. But it's certainly not inexplicable.

Posted by tmacfan12 on 8/20/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
Yes this is very stupid. Seble apparently has an engine release coming out soon but doesnt want to put it out yet because some worlds are in the NT. Isnt that what the release is made for, to prevent randomness so that better teams will advance in the NT? But whatever, again right now the engine is way too random so Im hoping the change makes it less so.

Just last update people complained he did it in the middle of the postseasons...

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/20/2010 9:33:00 AM (view original):
I understand your frustration, johnsensing.  I'm dropping my three DI teams at the end of each world's season.  I feel as if I am wasting my money in DI as well.  Fortunately for me, I still find the lower divisions quite a bit of fun.

...you have five DI teams.

Posted by cornfused on 8/20/2010 2:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/20/2010 9:33:00 AM (view original):
I understand your frustration, johnsensing.  I'm dropping my three DI teams at the end of each world's season.  I feel as if I am wasting my money in DI as well.  Fortunately for me, I still find the lower divisions quite a bit of fun.

...you have five DI teams.

He has 3 all of them are at Hawaii.  

Posted by antonsirius on 8/20/2010 11:44:00 AM (view original):
1) Bucknell had a noticeable IQ advantage on you. About two-thirds of his minutes were played at A+/A; your minutes on offense were split evenly between A- and B-, with a sprinkling of A+. You were a little sharper on defense, but it's still a big edge for Bucknell.

2) You ran a depressingly predictable offense. Despite having multiple players with good-to-excellent PER ratings, the only one you let shoot threes was Hammontree, which means you were actually vulnerable to the old -5/DT trick that Bucknell used against you.

Are those reasons enough to overcome the huge talent gap and 'justify' the upset? Maybe, maybe not. But it's certainly not inexplicable.

anton, your explanation started to intrigue me until I looked and saw that St. John's shot 4-17 from 3p against that -5. With a -5 and a huge sp/ath (not to mention overall talent) disadvantage, that defense really shouldn't have worked.

I agree that there are a couple mitigating factors here, but I don't think it's anywhere near enough to justify the result ... particularly since we see a lot of results like this.

Not trying to hijack your thread John, but I posted this one in another and haven't got a response from anyone.  Could someone PLEASE explain to me how this player can manage to foul out in EIGHT minutes?


A little off topic, but I'm starting to question the importance of IQ.  I had a PG on my Post team in Rupp foul out last night although he's got an 81 Spd, 62 Def, and A+ IQ.  No big deal, it happens right?  But how often does it happens in EIGHT ******* MINUTES?  That's right, in 8 minutes my A+ IQ PG managed to commit five fouls.  Just ridiculous.


http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6072885

Of course, the fact that his name is actually "Percy" should be worth about 2 fouls before the game even starts...........

Posted by tkimble on 8/20/2010 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cornfused on 8/20/2010 2:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/20/2010 9:33:00 AM (view original):
I understand your frustration, johnsensing.  I'm dropping my three DI teams at the end of each world's season.  I feel as if I am wasting my money in DI as well.  Fortunately for me, I still find the lower divisions quite a bit of fun.

...you have five DI teams.

He has 3 all of them are at Hawaii.  

 

Colorado COLLEGE.  Got it.

Posted by emy1013 on 8/20/2010 4:22:00 PM (view original):
Not trying to hijack your thread John, but I posted this one in another and haven't got a response from anyone.  Could someone PLEASE explain to me how this player can manage to foul out in EIGHT minutes?


A little off topic, but I'm starting to question the importance of IQ.  I had a PG on my Post team in Rupp foul out last night although he's got an 81 Spd, 62 Def, and A+ IQ.  No big deal, it happens right?  But how often does it happens in EIGHT ******* MINUTES?  That's right, in 8 minutes my A+ IQ PG managed to commit five fouls.  Just ridiculous.


http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6072885

Of course, the fact that his name is actually "Percy" should be worth about 2 fouls before the game even starts...........

emy, you think that's bad? Check out this game that Maryland had about a week ago:

http://www.whatifsports.com/x.asp?r=442157&u=/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6059352

The starting pg fouled out in eight minutes. Then his backup fouled out in 13. Then the next guy fouled out in 13. Oh, and his starting sf fouled out in 11 minutes as well.

F'n ridiculous.

Uhh, yep, that is a WHOLE lot worse than mine.  Sometimes you can just tell these things and I think Seble may really need to go back and look at the foul situations because I can tell you, it's not working right.  And I'm not saying that just because of my one example above.  It's not off EVERY game, but when it fouls up (pun intended), it's really bad.

P.S.  Wonder how long it'll be until my number one fan shows up with some smart comment........

I've got six teams that I really care about (other ID's obviously) and for the most part, they are pretty damn talented, so the foul situation tends to benefit me.  Even so, I've posted a number of times on various coaches corners that, even though I won the game, the fouls were ridiculous.  I want to win my games just as much as the next guy, but man, not like this.  I've had a couple of games were the other team had anywhere from 18 to 20 fouls called on them in the first half alone.  That's just not right and I sincerely feel bad when it happens to my opponent.

I played Nellie in a game earlier this season in non-conference and he had SIX offensive fouls called on his team in the first ten minutes of the game.  Now come on, how realistic is that?  The number of fouls being called really ends up messing the game up, not just because of players fouling out, but getting in such quick foul trouble causes rotations to get messed up, back-ups with lower IQ's and stamina having to play an inordinate amount of minutes, distros getting thrown out of whack, etc.  Now don't get me wrong, I think players should occasionally get into early foul trouble, as that happens in real life obviously.  But not to the extent that it seems to be happening.  Some of these instances are, to qoute Daalter, "F'n ridiculous".  Seble, if your reading this, would you please check on this before someone's season ends up getting destroyed?  Thank you.

And again, John, not trying to hijack your thread.  This thread just seemed like the hot topic for the day and I think this is an important issue that needs to be seen by as many eyes as possible, to get as many opinions as possible.  Sorry, but thanks.

Ahhh the HD sim...hell in a handbasket.

Just want to point out a few things.  I think aintheb/arssanguinius is a WIS plant and continually displays himself to be a ****** debater.  Again, I'm all for outside the box thinking, but when the attempted justification doesn't "right" the result, then you're standing on nothing.  Note to aintheb...a 140 point OTR advantage is ENORMOUS!  What a travesty HD has become...why don't they just call it what it really is Hupset (silent H) Dynasty.

Posted by emy1013 on 8/20/2010 4:41:00 PM (view original):
Uhh, yep, that is a WHOLE lot worse than mine.  Sometimes you can just tell these things and I think Seble may really need to go back and look at the foul situations because I can tell you, it's not working right.  And I'm not saying that just because of my one example above.  It's not off EVERY game, but when it fouls up (pun intended), it's really bad.

P.S.  Wonder how long it'll be until my number one fan shows up with some smart comment........

i've refrained lately, to save your kids the beating.

Posted by daalter on 8/20/2010 3:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 8/20/2010 11:44:00 AM (view original):
1) Bucknell had a noticeable IQ advantage on you. About two-thirds of his minutes were played at A+/A; your minutes on offense were split evenly between A- and B-, with a sprinkling of A+. You were a little sharper on defense, but it's still a big edge for Bucknell.

2) You ran a depressingly predictable offense. Despite having multiple players with good-to-excellent PER ratings, the only one you let shoot threes was Hammontree, which means you were actually vulnerable to the old -5/DT trick that Bucknell used against you.

Are those reasons enough to overcome the huge talent gap and 'justify' the upset? Maybe, maybe not. But it's certainly not inexplicable.

anton, your explanation started to intrigue me until I looked and saw that St. John's shot 4-17 from 3p against that -5. With a -5 and a huge sp/ath (not to mention overall talent) disadvantage, that defense really shouldn't have worked.

I agree that there are a couple mitigating factors here, but I don't think it's anywhere near enough to justify the result ... particularly since we see a lot of results like this.

I'd guess that every player on that St. John's roster, except Hammontree, had a 3P setting of -1 or -2. And Hammontree was double-teamed.

I'm not trying to open the door to another round of debate on whether the -5/DT combo should work at all, but the only kind of team it should be even remotely effective against would be a team with only one three point threat on the roster -- and that's what St. John's was running voluntarily, even though they had five or six guys who could conceivably have been jacking up threes with some success.

The problem wasn't just the 4-for-17 against a -5, it was that he only had 17 attempts against a -5. And that's on the offensive distribution, not the engine. He could have gone 7-for-17 on threes, and still would have lost.