Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grecianfox on 8/20/2010 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Not sure I like the idea. I like the strategy involved in how one decides to spend their recruiting dollars. I think it adds a nice element.

+1

i don't like it this idea either.  i tend to spend a lot on FSS and i am extremely selective with whom I target, especially at DII & DIII.  i like the fact that I have more information about a players skills than other coaches because I choose to spend a lot scouting.

also, as someone who likes teams in the middle of nowhere (Alaska and Pacific Northwest w/ a couple of my teams), making FSS free would really hurt these teams.  currently i can recruit very smartly and overcome the distance disadvantage through scouting.  if FSS were free, teams with fewer recruits in their area would really be at a disadvantage.     

I agree fully with these sentiments.

What if FSS was made cheaper? Because at D3 it really does take a chunk out of your budget.

Posted by obesecat on 8/20/2010 2:47:00 PM (view original):
What if FSS was made cheaper? Because at D3 it really does take a chunk out of your budget.

I'd also be for making FSS funds in DIII the same as for DII

How about the 1/4 reduction of the leftover recruiting dollars is left until the draft so we have money left over to plan our recruiting in advance and can do it at our leisue.  At the lower levels it is impossible to save enough from recruiting and still have a usable amount to buy your FSS during the season. 

Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grecianfox on 8/20/2010 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Not sure I like the idea. I like the strategy involved in how one decides to spend their recruiting dollars. I think it adds a nice element.

+1

i don't like it this idea either.  i tend to spend a lot on FSS and i am extremely selective with whom I target, especially at DII & DIII.  i like the fact that I have more information about a players skills than other coaches because I choose to spend a lot scouting.

also, as someone who likes teams in the middle of nowhere (Alaska and Pacific Northwest w/ a couple of my teams), making FSS free would really hurt these teams.  currently i can recruit very smartly and overcome the distance disadvantage through scouting.  if FSS were free, teams with fewer recruits in their area would really be at a disadvantage.     

You don't have more information on any players' skills - you have the same information on more players.  There is a pretty substantial difference there.

Posted by mullycj on 8/20/2010 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Get rid of FSS at the DIII level only. It's a strategy to the game that should be a part of your expertise in DII and DI.

FSS and potential go together

I agree with this.

Posted by acn24 on 8/20/2010 3:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grecianfox on 8/20/2010 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Not sure I like the idea. I like the strategy involved in how one decides to spend their recruiting dollars. I think it adds a nice element.

+1

i don't like it this idea either.  i tend to spend a lot on FSS and i am extremely selective with whom I target, especially at DII & DIII.  i like the fact that I have more information about a players skills than other coaches because I choose to spend a lot scouting.

also, as someone who likes teams in the middle of nowhere (Alaska and Pacific Northwest w/ a couple of my teams), making FSS free would really hurt these teams.  currently i can recruit very smartly and overcome the distance disadvantage through scouting.  if FSS were free, teams with fewer recruits in their area would really be at a disadvantage.     

You don't have more information on any players' skills - you have the same information on more players.  There is a pretty substantial difference there.

what i'm saying is that because i scout more states than a lot of coaches, i have more information on a players skills - i.e. i know their potential vs. just knowing the ratings.  someone who doesn't use as much recruiting money on FSS will not have the same information on many players because they choose to not scout that state.

so yeah, i do have more information on a player's skill set in the current scenario, and I would hate to see FSS become free because it takes away a recruiting advantage for me and some other coaches who do the same.

Strongly against this idea@D3... FSS adds a strategic element to recruiting. Coaches have to make wise choices and be prudent with their money. Why dumb it down?

Also, beware of unintended consequences. Having access to every potential on every player in the recruiting pools will change many things in lower division recruiting.

Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 4:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 8/20/2010 3:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grecianfox on 8/20/2010 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Not sure I like the idea. I like the strategy involved in how one decides to spend their recruiting dollars. I think it adds a nice element.

+1

i don't like it this idea either.  i tend to spend a lot on FSS and i am extremely selective with whom I target, especially at DII & DIII.  i like the fact that I have more information about a players skills than other coaches because I choose to spend a lot scouting.

also, as someone who likes teams in the middle of nowhere (Alaska and Pacific Northwest w/ a couple of my teams), making FSS free would really hurt these teams.  currently i can recruit very smartly and overcome the distance disadvantage through scouting.  if FSS were free, teams with fewer recruits in their area would really be at a disadvantage.     

You don't have more information on any players' skills - you have the same information on more players.  There is a pretty substantial difference there.

what i'm saying is that because i scout more states than a lot of coaches, i have more information on a players skills - i.e. i know their potential vs. just knowing the ratings.  someone who doesn't use as much recruiting money on FSS will not have the same information on many players because they choose to not scout that state.

so yeah, i do have more information on a player's skill set in the current scenario, and I would hate to see FSS become free because it takes away a recruiting advantage for me and some other coaches who do the same.

No, you don't have more info on a player's skillset than other coaches. If I bought FSS on a state and you bought FSS on the same state we would have the same amount of info.

What you're trying to say is you have info on MORE PLAYERS under the current system

Make it all free

Posted by colonels19 on 8/20/2010 6:02:00 PM (view original):
Make it all free

That takes away so much strategy, though. HD doesn't have enough of these types of choices, where you have to decide how to allocate limited resources. It used to exist with practice plans, but that has been minimized through the introduction of potential (which is not to say I don't like potential... I do... I'd just prefer softer caps). FSS is really the only place left where it exists. Do you spend more money scouting players in the hopes of uncovering the ideal recruit, or a hidden gem, or do you settle for someone who is acceptable and concenctrate your money on recruiting effort. Do you scout large states because they have lots of recruits, or the small ones because they're cheap? So much strategy is involved here, I'd hate to see FSS become free.

Posted by usc4life on 8/20/2010 5:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 4:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 8/20/2010 3:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by haasdr on 8/20/2010 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by grecianfox on 8/20/2010 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Not sure I like the idea. I like the strategy involved in how one decides to spend their recruiting dollars. I think it adds a nice element.

+1

i don't like it this idea either.  i tend to spend a lot on FSS and i am extremely selective with whom I target, especially at DII & DIII.  i like the fact that I have more information about a players skills than other coaches because I choose to spend a lot scouting.

also, as someone who likes teams in the middle of nowhere (Alaska and Pacific Northwest w/ a couple of my teams), making FSS free would really hurt these teams.  currently i can recruit very smartly and overcome the distance disadvantage through scouting.  if FSS were free, teams with fewer recruits in their area would really be at a disadvantage.     

You don't have more information on any players' skills - you have the same information on more players.  There is a pretty substantial difference there.

what i'm saying is that because i scout more states than a lot of coaches, i have more information on a players skills - i.e. i know their potential vs. just knowing the ratings.  someone who doesn't use as much recruiting money on FSS will not have the same information on many players because they choose to not scout that state.

so yeah, i do have more information on a player's skill set in the current scenario, and I would hate to see FSS become free because it takes away a recruiting advantage for me and some other coaches who do the same.

No, you don't have more info on a player's skillset than other coaches. If I bought FSS on a state and you bought FSS on the same state we would have the same amount of info.

What you're trying to say is you have info on MORE PLAYERS under the current system

it's obvious we would have the same amount of info if we both bought FSS for the same state.  I'm saying that I often times I believe I get players that other teams don't because they spend more on recruiting visits etc than on FSS - i.e. i have more information on a player than a coach who does NOT choose to scout the same state.

but yeah, i guess i do have access to MORE PLAYERS as well when I scout more states.

in any case, i would rather it not be changed.

If you make FSS info free, it eliminates two major problems that diminish the fun of the game for the majority fo users:

1. You eliminate the "ghost ship" team -- users will no longer have any reason to pick up a second team for the sole purpose of  using its recruiting budget to order as many FSS states as possible to obtain knowledge for their "primary" team (which then still has its full recruiting budget available because it hasn't had to pay any money to scout via FSS), leaving some poor conference weighed down with a team comprised of 10 walk-ons (I think it was USA South in Naismith that got stuck with three such programs last season...the human coaches in that conf. should have been comped just for having to deal with that BS, imo). If the FSS information is free, there's no need for coaches to be vampires sucking the finances of one school in order to build up another. We all hate playing Sim AI...but playing a human-owned team that's taken on 8-10 walkons and never gets checked in on after the signing period closes is even worse, because it usually takes another year or two for that program to even become semi-competitive again)

2. You eliminate the collusion that's currently going on in some worlds where conferences or groups of coaches informally "pool" their recruiting money by each agreeing to purchase FSS reports for different states and then sharing the knowledge among everyone in their pool. If you have 10 coaches and each purchases just three FSS states, that's 60 percent of the country which those 10 coaches now have detailed information for -- that's a significant advantage at the lower divisions. Making FSS free eliminates that issue -- the information out there is now available to all, no oollusion can take place, the strategy now resides in each coach figuring out how to best use the information that's out there. Again, it just makes the game more enjoyable for all be levelling the playing field and eliminating a loophole that people can use to try and build up their primary team.

Posted by antonsirius on 8/20/2010 1:40:00 PM (view original):
I'm with mully... no FSS at all at DIII, but keep it the same at DII and DI.

several vets have said it, but me too, free in d3, pay for it in d1/d2