Posted by mduncanhogs on 10/29/2010 3:46:00 PM (view original):
So if you are at a D3 school and you have 4 available scholarships, is it wise to try to pull down recruits for all 4, or should you focus on just 1 or 2 guys you want to pull down and try to sign D3 recruits with the rest of the schollies?

Pulldowns are costly and risky, as it's possible for a D2 teams to go for your recruit even after you pulled down. Better to just wait for drop downs as D2 players that can be pulldown, if they don't get any d2 interest, will drop down to you and allow you to recruit them as D3 players. 

I always recruit 90% of my players that are pull-downs. Of course, I have 3 walk-ons this season in Knight, so there's that...

One thing I've done before is look for a dropdown that is really good in allot iof areas. . but has a significant flaw.  That flaw often can keep d1 teams off of the player, but in division two, he can still play lights out.

Posted by tkimble on 10/29/2010 4:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mduncanhogs on 10/29/2010 3:46:00 PM (view original):
So if you are at a D3 school and you have 4 available scholarships, is it wise to try to pull down recruits for all 4, or should you focus on just 1 or 2 guys you want to pull down and try to sign D3 recruits with the rest of the schollies?

I just tried to pull down an entire class in Tark and two of the guys ended up getting picked off by d2 schools, so no, I'd say I'd focus on 1 or 2 guys to start out with.

Yup this is good advice. Unless I'm recruiting at a very prestigious school (A- prestige or better) I like to pull down one recruit for every non pull-down. And I try and secure my non pull-down guys first and then go for the pull-downs once I feel safe doing so

Last season in Naismith, it seems fewer and fewer players are giving the backup message.  Maybe it was one weird spin, or maybe it's getting to the point where you're better off just recruiting the best D3 players you can see?

I know everyone in the forum knows/says you cannot pull down a D1 player to D3, but has anyone actually tried it?

What about a D1 player that didn't get any D1 interest so may be on the cusp of "dropping" to D2... could he perhaps be convinced to take the next step and be pulled all the way down to D3?

So far this recruitment, I've signed 3 pulldowns and have the 4th considering us and only us. I don't think it'll cost much more to get him to sign.

I will have one scholarship left open, will probably have between $6k and $7k left to throw at it, and we've got an A prestige. Is there really no chance at all?

And as I typed that, the considering guy signed, so I have $7,478 left for the last scholarship.

D3 has no chance at a D1 guy zbrent. Here is my advice and It works always at D3. Send out phone calls and letters and schollies. The ones that keep the schollie open are the ones that can be pulled down. It's cheaper in the long run to put the schollie out there and you will know who will drop and who will not. Then do what Weena said and send at least 10 scouting trips. After they are considering you, there is no more effort that is required. If they are still not considering you then send a few more scouting trips. If they are ever considering a D2 school then you stop right there or even a D3 with a higher prestige. I never go outside of 200 miles when doing this for the cost reason. I only go outside 200 miles when I have the ones considering me only and i'm looking for a better player. If I have money left that is. At D3, you should never end up with D3 recruits, or at least I don't. 

Posted by zbrent716 on 10/30/2010 5:01:00 PM (view original):
I know everyone in the forum knows/says you cannot pull down a D1 player to D3, but has anyone actually tried it?

What about a D1 player that didn't get any D1 interest so may be on the cusp of "dropping" to D2... could he perhaps be convinced to take the next step and be pulled all the way down to D3?

So far this recruitment, I've signed 3 pulldowns and have the 4th considering us and only us. I don't think it'll cost much more to get him to sign.

I will have one scholarship left open, will probably have between $6k and $7k left to throw at it, and we've got an A prestige. Is there really no chance at all?

No, there is no way to pull a D1 player down to D3. I got curious and tried it for myself after winning a D3 national title and still got no love.

Posted by zbrent716 on 10/30/2010 5:01:00 PM (view original):
I know everyone in the forum knows/says you cannot pull down a D1 player to D3, but has anyone actually tried it?

What about a D1 player that didn't get any D1 interest so may be on the cusp of "dropping" to D2... could he perhaps be convinced to take the next step and be pulled all the way down to D3?

So far this recruitment, I've signed 3 pulldowns and have the 4th considering us and only us. I don't think it'll cost much more to get him to sign.

I will have one scholarship left open, will probably have between $6k and $7k left to throw at it, and we've got an A prestige. Is there really no chance at all?

As most people have already said ... you can't pull down guys who will not return your phone calls and tell you that you are a backup.

Most of the time, you can't pull down even the best of the Division above yours (usually you can get guys who are around the 40-50 % range ... not the to top 10%).  I guess it might be possible to get a guy who sucked at Div-1 (some of the Div-1 guys listed are actually worse than some Div-II guys) ... but I don't see any way you would be able to get a Div-1 guy who was worth anything,

If you want to try, make a bunch of phone calls and see if anyone says you are a backup option for them ... but I would think it a waste of time.

I was able to pull down 2 guys with my 4 schollies.  The other 2 started at D II and dropped to D III while I was recruiting them, so I guess those aren't technically pull downs.  I'm happy with my class for my first class in the Crum world.  The first 2 are the pull downs and the bottom 2 were drop downs.

Can't comment on the class without knowing potentials.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/31/2010 1:55:00 PM (view original):
Can't comment on the class without knowing potentials.

Morgan is high potential in defense, low post and durability; low potential in athleticism, rebounding, shot blocking, perimeter, passing and stamina.
Peter is high potential in FT%, speed, defense, low post and stamina; low potential in athleticism, perimeter, ball handling, passing and durability.
Davis is high potential in FT% and rebounding; low potential in athleticism, perimeter, passing and stamina.
Olson is high potential in FT%, speed, rebounding, shot blocking, low post and durability; low potential in athleticism, perimeter and ball handling.

Posted by jbrewman1 on 10/30/2010 6:34:00 PM (view original):
D3 has no chance at a D1 guy zbrent. Here is my advice and It works always at D3. Send out phone calls and letters and schollies. The ones that keep the schollie open are the ones that can be pulled down. It's cheaper in the long run to put the schollie out there and you will know who will drop and who will not. Then do what Weena said and send at least 10 scouting trips. After they are considering you, there is no more effort that is required. If they are still not considering you then send a few more scouting trips. If they are ever considering a D2 school then you stop right there or even a D3 with a higher prestige. I never go outside of 200 miles when doing this for the cost reason. I only go outside 200 miles when I have the ones considering me only and i'm looking for a better player. If I have money left that is. At D3, you should never end up with D3 recruits, or at least I don't. 

Disagree with a LOT of this...  Just the phone call is completely sufficient to find out if they'll drop.  Sure you have to take 30 seconds to compare your e-mails to the list of names in your recruiting window, but it saves $100 per recruit who isn't going to be interested.  So that "send a scholly" advice is just horrible.  Also, there are often some high-potential D3 players who may look better than the D2 players.  Check out my current Junior class at Rochester.  In particular look at Carroll, Bradley, Carter, and Garren.  They were all D3 recruits.

Posted by mduncanhogs on 10/31/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/31/2010 1:55:00 PM (view original):
Can't comment on the class without knowing potentials.

Morgan is high potential in defense, low post and durability; low potential in athleticism, rebounding, shot blocking, perimeter, passing and stamina.
Peter is high potential in FT%, speed, defense, low post and stamina; low potential in athleticism, perimeter, ball handling, passing and durability.
Davis is high potential in FT% and rebounding; low potential in athleticism, perimeter, passing and stamina.
Olson is high potential in FT%, speed, rebounding, shot blocking, low post and durability; low potential in athleticism, perimeter and ball handling.

In that case individually most of them look OK.  Morgan should make a solid SF someday.  Overall though with the low potentials in BH and P that team looks like a future turnover machine...