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Posted by deathinahole on 2/10/2011 6:50:00 PM (view original):
Ha! It was Salt Lake City!
Dumbass!
Double ha!  That's why it was so dumb!
2/10/2011 7:48 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2011 11:35:00 AM (view original):
I'll bring this up again in the suggestions forum.

Shorten it to 10 rounds.  I know I've never gotten a BL player of any significance(defensive replacements is the best I've done) after the 10th round.  I doubt anyone has(with the exception of DITR).   Many owners don't even bother to sign players beyond the 5th/6th round.  I know there's no one who ranks 300 players.  25 rounds is not "like MLB" so it's just a number.

Now, the tricky part.   Send ALL undrafted players to a newly created "Undrafted Free Agent Pool" for 48 hours.  Owners can bid on them to fill out their rosters(if they so choose).  At the end of those 48 hours, all offered UDFA will accept the best offer(bonuses included).  The period will end before the first RL game.   After that, they'll accept the first contract offered to them. 

Ah, the hell with it, I'll play "Devil's Advocate":

As you so often suggest, why fix something that is not broken? Why trust them to properly change something that doesn't really need to be changed? Some people like a "full" (25 rounds, anyways) draft, and think about keeping their minors stocked for seasons on end as a dynasty should do. Shouldn't they be more focused on changes to the game that are, you know, relevant? It doesn't really need to be changed at all. Let those who want to ignore it, ignore it. Let those who want to retain the ability to set up to draft and sign 25 players and keep fresh minor league teams every season, continue to do so.

Simply put, it's pointless and would require reworking things that don't need to be rewroked.

2/11/2011 2:26 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2011 7:00:00 AM (view original):
Because it is broken.  As has been noted many, many times, there are no late round surprises.     Until a 17th round pick can be made relevant, there is no point in a 17th round.   So owners who don't care about their minors don't sign their late picks.   These players disappear and then we get "There aren't enough position players to fill our minors!!!"   Shortening the draft solves that problem.

That does not mean it's broken. Broken implies "not working". Those late round players are for filling your minor league teams, you know, the dynasty you run all levels of. Not just for major league players. That is working fine, assuming you sign your draftees. If owners are not doing so, then the owners would be "broken", not the draft.

2/11/2011 1:23 PM
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OK, I have no interest in arguing with you.   You bore me.  But you know that.

Owners who take over trainwrecks are often left with no options, other than 3 for 1 deals, to fill their depleted minors.   Instead of allowing unsigned draftees, like the late rounders, to wander off into the blue, this would provide a way for the previously mentioned owner to fill out his minor league rosters thus beginning the turnaround of a franchise on the right note.   It that's not a good thing in your mind, so be it. 
2/11/2011 1:42 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2011 1:42:00 PM (view original):
OK, I have no interest in arguing with you.   You bore me.  But you know that.

Owners who take over trainwrecks are often left with no options, other than 3 for 1 deals, to fill their depleted minors.   Instead of allowing unsigned draftees, like the late rounders, to wander off into the blue, this would provide a way for the previously mentioned owner to fill out his minor league rosters thus beginning the turnaround of a franchise on the right note.   It that's not a good thing in your mind, so be it. 
Ok, big guy. It wasn't an argument. I prefaced it as such. Simply stating what you would normally say in this case for the sake of discussion.

Keep this key phrase in mind before you jump down some poor guy's throat when he's making a suggestion:

" It that's not a good thing in your mind, so be it."

Have a nice day.

2/11/2011 2:40 PM
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When I'm jumping down some guy's throat for making a dumb suggestion, he is more than welcome to tell me the same thing. 

YOU have a nice day.
2/11/2011 3:08 PM
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This is a horrible suggestion and one they shouldn't implement.  Shortening the draft to 10 rounds is not the proper fix for owners who don't have enough minor league position players.  They should just make a tryout camp of position players, like they do for pitchers.  The players drafted after round 10 are much cheaper than the guys drafted earlier and I usually like to fill up my rookie league team with guys drafted after round 10.  This is especially true if you're saving up money for an IFA.  This would complicate everything a great deal for no reason.  I want to be able to fill up my rookie league team cheaply and easily, and not have to bid against other owners for garbage players who won't make the Big Leagues. (Your suggestion would be like what they did for 6 yr minor league free agents and then they reversed it because so many owners complained.)    Keep the 25 rounds as is.  Your suggestion would cause many more problems than it would alleviate. 


2/12/2011 6:19 PM
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I'm sure there will be leftover players that you won't have to bid on at all.   Like the 200 or so that go unsigned in every world.

Also, if you think this would complicate anything, I'm sure HBD confuses you immensely.

2/13/2011 6:51 AM
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What advantage would there be for shortening the draft? If a shortage of position players is a problem just add a tryout camp for position players, shortening the draft because there is not enough position players sounds like we would be headed in the opposite direction of stocking minor league teams.

I sign most of my low round draft players as minor league fillers. If they did do away with the draft after the 10th round I hope they refresh tryout camp position players often.



2/13/2011 9:23 AM (edited)
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Uh, undrafted players would essentially be sent to a tryout camp.   Not sure why ANYONE thinks they'll just disappear.
2/13/2011 9:30 AM
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Let's do the math.  32 teams would not be drafting 15 players each.    That's 480 players.   And, as we know, everyone doesn't see all the players.   So, in all likelihood, there will be 600+ players undrafted. 

All 600+ would go into the undrafted free agent pool.   Every owner can submit a bid for any of those 600+ over the next 36-48 hours.   All players with a contract offer would sign at the end of that period.   The remainder would be treated like tryout camp pitchers who'll sign a 8k contract as soon as they get an offer. 

This doesn't seem complicated to me.
2/13/2011 9:35 AM
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Mike, the guys we often don't sign are from rounds 3-10 because of their high asking prices.  Why should we be penalized for being slow to bid on those undrafted free agents?  If I want to sign my guy in the 19th round, 3/4 through the season, I should be able to and not worry about other owners taking all the useful position players.  Your suggestion would eliminate strategy from the game in terms of drafting.  We now control who we draft, why would we want to blind bid against other owners and waste our time?  Also, many owners would stockpile all the position player prospects at key positions (ex:SS).  Leave the draft as is.  If they could make a tryout camp for pitchers they can make one for position players.  And the point is, the draft allows us to sign our guys whenever we want (we don't have to get our bids in by a certain time), and for guys who won't make the big leagues, there is no need to waste time on them bidding.  This is not the solution to the problem of not enough position players.  If they can add a tryout camp for pitchers, they can do the same thing for hitters, without overhauling the draft system. 
2/13/2011 10:19 AM
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Honestly, I could care less if I get a 23rd round draft choice or a un-drafted free agent. What I want is whatever takes the least effort and fills my minor league team. I would much prefer a 1 time offer to my 18-25th round picks than go through a free agent bidding process for career minor leaguers that may or may not sign with me, or worst have to deal with career minor leaguers for multiple cycles when at 1 time it could be dealt with in 1 cycle.. 

I see no reason to change the draft, just keep everything the same and add tryout camp for position players, in my opinion it works well for pitchers..It seems like the current suggestion is just adding in more steps that are not needed. In this case the simplest fix is the best fix.
2/13/2011 10:33 AM
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If you're getting legit SS in the 11th round, I'd say something is wrong with your world.

You're not being penalized at all.  You're welcome to bid on any UDFA. 

And, again, 25 is just a number pulled from thin air.    In truth, I'd shorten the draft to 5 rounds if it were left up to me.  I sometimes get useful players in the 7th-8th round but failure to draft them would not break my organization.

I'd also point out that the 2 guys you drafted as SS in the 11th/13th rounds this season don't look like SS to me.  Finally, I'd point out that the person arguing the hardest is 3 for 3 in unsuccessful seasons so maybe your viewpoint isn't the best.
2/13/2011 10:37 AM
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