Posted by btetzl50 on 5/11/2011 5:04:00 PM (view original):
Is Limited Upside = Maxed out?

James German:
athleticism: limited upside
speed: limited upside
rebounding: limited upside
defensive fundamentals: limited upside
shot blocking: limited upside
low post moves: limited upside
perimeter shooting: limited upside
ball handling: limited upside
passing: limited upside
stamina: limited upside
durability: limited upside
ft shooting: limited upside

No -- this is the player notes e-mail you get at the start of the season. "Limited upside" means the player doesn't have a lot of room remaining for improvement, but it DOES NOT mean he's maxed out -- he might be maxed, but he could also have 2-3 points of growth remaining.

The maxed out e-mails will come after the exhibition games start and your practice minute allocation begins to get applied to the players on your team. You'll get an e-mail that says something along the lines of "Hey coach! I've been working with Joe Blow on his (insert name of a skill here) and unless you've got any ideas, I don't think I can get anything more out of him." There are multiple variants of the wording and subject lines depending on the skill, but they'll all follow this general tone. Once you get THIS e-mail, it means he's seen all the growth he's going to see in that skill and you can zero him out and allocate his practice  minutes in that skill to another area for the season (he might lose points in the off-season and be able to gain again next year, so don't assume if he's maxed out this year that he'll begin next season maxed as well). Once in a great while the player might lose a point back after you zero him in the skill, but I've found this to be exceptionally rare (it's happened to a player once in 11 seasons for me).

rednu, he could have more than 2-3 points of growth remaining.  He could have as many as 6.

Posted by rednu on 5/11/2011 12:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by btetzl50 on 5/11/2011 11:32:00 AM (view original):
I'm brand spanking new to WIS and have read beginners guides from 2008 and they stated that if you go below 7 pts you'll lose points. Is this true?  It also said that FT needed to be at 12 otherwise you'd lose points there too.

So I guess I'm asking has this changed from the guide?  

I've never heard the FT at 12 bit.. For other skills, 7 is the generally-accepted place-holder value (i.e.-you won't gain points, but you won't lose any either) in all skills except LP and Per, where 4 is the place-holder value.

BUT -- once you receive the e-mail from your assistant coach telling you that the player is maxed out in the skill, you can cut to zero minutes for the rest of the season and only in extremely rare circumstances will the player lose a point (and if he does, just put minutes back in until he re-gains it and repeat the process...).

Also, it's 3 minutes for Per and LP.

I can't believe 0 minutes means no reduction. If that's true, I'm glad I read this thread, because I've kept it at 7 minutes to keep them from reducing. 

Thanks for valuable info, keep it coming! 

Next question is how often does the practicing happen? or said another way: How often can I expect to see points added? Daily?  Are the points cumulative over the season (when you look at the player so far I see +1 or +2) or each practice period?

Is there a way to go back and see what my assistant told me to stop practicing with my older players? Or will it pop up again in a few days?

PERIMETER and LOW POST are both 3 minutes to maintain, while all the rest (except STUDY HALL?) are 7 to maintain unless you've maxed a category out, or have a player under 5pts in a category and its not worth pursuing.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/11/2011 5:55:00 PM (view original):
rednu, he could have more than 2-3 points of growth remaining.  He could have as many as 6.

yeah, was just using 2-3 as an example, not meaning to imply it was the max limit.