GOP psychos obsessed with Planned Parenthood Topic

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If a woman is raped by her father and is impregnated by him, should she be forced to have the baby?
4/12/2011 11:05 AM
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Irony Alert: Bart Stupak nearly scuttled health care reform over his fear that federal dollars could be spent on abortions, even though the Hyde Amendment already makes that illegal to do so. No longer in Congress, Stupak has moved to a lobbying firm...with Planned Parenthood as a client.

4/12/2011 11:17 AM
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Posted by The Taint on 4/12/2011 11:04:00 AM (view original):
No, I wouldn't be against fighting Japan in WW2.  Sadly.
I think that's rational Taint.  I agree with you that it is sad that it is necessary at times.  It also sucks that no one has figured out a way to prevent innocent people from getting killed in war.  I want to avoid it as much as possible despite the obvious fact (or probability anyway) that you and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
4/12/2011 11:20 AM
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Posted by crazystengel on 4/12/2011 9:42:00 AM (view original):
I don't usually post in these threads, but I caught a bit on The Daily Show last night about a Republican politician (name escapes) talking about about Planned Parenthood.  The Republican had said that over 90% of PP's budget went to abortion.  

Apparently the actual number is 3%.  And the Republican's response was something like, "My remarks were not intended to be factual statements."  

Best euphemism ever for, "Okay, I lied."
That was John Kyl
4/12/2011 11:21 AM
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Posted by The Taint on 4/12/2011 11:05:00 AM (view original):
If a woman is raped by her father and is impregnated by him, should she be forced to have the baby?
My answer will seem callous to you...and will probably take this thread a different direction...but yes I do. 

The very crux of the pro-life position is what is the baby in the first place?  If it is a human person, no justification for killing an innocent human person is adequate.  If it is not, then no justification is necessary.  The baby, who from the point of conception is a single human organism with it's very own human DNA signature, has done absolutely nothing to warrant his/her death.
4/12/2011 11:24 AM
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So you must agree then that no wars should ever happen...because under the circumstance of war, innocent people are going to die...and there is no justification for killing an innocent human person in your eyes.
4/12/2011 11:31 AM
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(Edit:  I do agree that no wars should ever happen, but the fact is that there are evil people in the world who are bent on destruction of good.  War is the inevitible result, such as the one necessary to stop Hitler and the Axis Powers).

They are entirely different contexts. 

One intentionally kills innocent human persons (abortions). 

The other does so without the intent.  If we defend ourselves in a war against Japan, we do so  knowing that there will be unintended consequences.  When we kill a human baby by aborting him, we do so with intent to kill and we do it with no justification. 

That is the important distinction.  Understand that the killing of innocent (and not so innocent people) in war is repugnant and should be, but the alternative, such as allowing a nazi-style state here, is worse.  That's why defending this country is so important - even though we get that wrong at times.
4/12/2011 12:21 PM (edited)
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I would feel a little better about an abortion ban, if the father of the child was forced into slavery for the term of the pregnancy. Preferably to the family of the mother.
4/12/2011 12:21 PM
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The mother of the child in the scenario above had no choice in the matter...and that's ok with you?  She was raped by her own father, impregnated, and now she is forced to look at the result of that tragedy for the rest of her life? 


I find your stance on killing of innocents to be highly hypocritcal.  You say that innocents should never be harmed on one hand, BUT on the other hand it's ok if it fits into your set of beliefs.  There has been plenty of intent to kill innocent people during the course of war.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki are prime examples of that.
4/12/2011 1:02 PM
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a million lives by preventing the need for an invasion of Japan.
4/12/2011 1:23 PM
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Not to get back on topic but we don't get to directly decide how our tax money is spent.  I have no school age children and I'll likely be dead before a 4 year old can make a difference in my life.  Should I object to paying taxes for school funding?

Nonetheless, nothing gets done on the Hill without making an unreasonable stand with a crazy threat behind it.   That's how it works.
4/12/2011 1:23 PM
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Here here on paying taxes for schools.  Let the breeders foot the bill.  They need a have a child tax.
4/12/2011 1:26 PM
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That wasn't really what I was advocating but OK.   My point was if the Repubs want to be rid of PP, they have to make a stand.   They can't say "Alright but none of our constituents can be taxed for it!!" because we don't pick/choose which programs to support.   Some people have a problem with abortion.   I don't care if 90% or 3% of PP's funding goes to abortions, those people are not going to like it. 
4/12/2011 1:42 PM
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Posted by The Taint on 4/12/2011 1:03:00 PM (view original):
The mother of the child in the scenario above had no choice in the matter...and that's ok with you?  She was raped by her own father, impregnated, and now she is forced to look at the result of that tragedy for the rest of her life? 


I find your stance on killing of innocents to be highly hypocritcal.  You say that innocents should never be harmed on one hand, BUT on the other hand it's ok if it fits into your set of beliefs.  There has been plenty of intent to kill innocent people during the course of war.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki are prime examples of that.
Each of the paragraphs one at a time since they address two different issues.

I would hate to think that the innocent child has to pay with her life because of the sins of the father.  It's not okay what the hypothetical father did.  But to the child who has a life of her own, it's hardly a tradgedy that she's been given a life.  And further, the mother doesn't have to "look at the result" for the rest of her life.  She can put the child up for adoption.  She can also realize that good things - a new human life - can come out of bad.  What's more, if she decides to kill the child, how does that guarantee that she is no longer reminded of the tradgedy?  The rape will be with her for the rest of her life regardless.  Killing the child doesn't make the rape go away.  It makes an innocent living child dead.  Do we kill unwanted children who are already born because they remind us of a "mistake"?  Why exactly are we sentencing the wrong party to death for a heinous act?
4/12/2011 1:50 PM
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I don't know the answers to any of that....that's why I say leave the choice up to the mother.  She, better than you or I, would know the answer. 
4/12/2011 1:55 PM
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