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Posted by jiml60 on 5/20/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2011 12:43:00 PM (view original):
I didn't say he shouldn't.   Everyone knows he went into the compound and fired the fatal bullet.   There was a lot of "I" in that campaign speech, errrr, address to the nation.
He gave the order to assassinate bin Laden, he was going to take the flak if anything went wrong.  How is his speech any different from Bush playing dress-up to give us the impression he was taking part first hand in the Iraq invasion?
It is different in the fact that no one can criticize Obama for it.

That is always the difference.
5/20/2011 5:58 PM
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Posted by jiml60 on 5/20/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2011 12:43:00 PM (view original):
I didn't say he shouldn't.   Everyone knows he went into the compound and fired the fatal bullet.   There was a lot of "I" in that campaign speech, errrr, address to the nation.
He gave the order to assassinate bin Laden, he was going to take the flak if anything went wrong.  How is his speech any different from Bush playing dress-up to give us the impression he was taking part first hand in the Iraq invasion?
You realize Mike doesn't actually care, right? He doesn't give a damn what **** he stirs up, just so long as his hand is on the swizzle stick.
5/20/2011 6:56 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/20/2011 5:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jiml60 on 5/20/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2011 12:43:00 PM (view original):
I didn't say he shouldn't.   Everyone knows he went into the compound and fired the fatal bullet.   There was a lot of "I" in that campaign speech, errrr, address to the nation.
He gave the order to assassinate bin Laden, he was going to take the flak if anything went wrong.  How is his speech any different from Bush playing dress-up to give us the impression he was taking part first hand in the Iraq invasion?
It is different in the fact that no one can criticize Obama for it.

That is always the difference.
Why would anyone criticize Obama for killing US Enemy #1?  If a few Navy Seals had gotten killed and bin Laden escaped, the media would have been all over Obama and 2012 would be wide open.  There's no reason to criticize Obama for assassinating bin Laden, at least not in the populist view.

If you want to criticize him for anything, we can start with his defiance of international law in not taking bin Laden alive and putting him on trial.  But the left or right press is not going to get out of line and call him on the carpet for that.
5/20/2011 11:02 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 5/20/2011 6:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jiml60 on 5/20/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2011 12:43:00 PM (view original):
I didn't say he shouldn't.   Everyone knows he went into the compound and fired the fatal bullet.   There was a lot of "I" in that campaign speech, errrr, address to the nation.
He gave the order to assassinate bin Laden, he was going to take the flak if anything went wrong.  How is his speech any different from Bush playing dress-up to give us the impression he was taking part first hand in the Iraq invasion?
You realize Mike doesn't actually care, right? He doesn't give a damn what **** he stirs up, just so long as his hand is on the swizzle stick.
Of course.  The post is merely to state that Obama succeeded in ending our national nightmare while Bush failed.  There's no dispute there, Obama gets credit for doing something that Bush said he was going to do but failed.  
5/20/2011 11:05 PM
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Why would anyone criticize Obama for killing US Enemy #1?
 
There are certain groups who criticize Obama for anything and everything, whether it's something he actually did, something he's only vaguely connected to or something completely untethered from reality.

That's what swamp meant when he says Obama doesn't "take responsibility" for anything. He's including bullshit like the Bill Ayers 'connection' and food stamps in the list of things Obama has avoided responsibility for.
5/21/2011 12:00 AM
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Posted by jiml60 on 5/20/2011 11:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/20/2011 5:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jiml60 on 5/20/2011 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2011 12:43:00 PM (view original):
I didn't say he shouldn't.   Everyone knows he went into the compound and fired the fatal bullet.   There was a lot of "I" in that campaign speech, errrr, address to the nation.
He gave the order to assassinate bin Laden, he was going to take the flak if anything went wrong.  How is his speech any different from Bush playing dress-up to give us the impression he was taking part first hand in the Iraq invasion?
It is different in the fact that no one can criticize Obama for it.

That is always the difference.
Why would anyone criticize Obama for killing US Enemy #1?  If a few Navy Seals had gotten killed and bin Laden escaped, the media would have been all over Obama and 2012 would be wide open.  There's no reason to criticize Obama for assassinating bin Laden, at least not in the populist view.

If you want to criticize him for anything, we can start with his defiance of international law in not taking bin Laden alive and putting him on trial.  But the left or right press is not going to get out of line and call him on the carpet for that.
2012 is wide open because, despite single-handedly killing a terrorist, probably with his bare hands, the economy sucks.    The people who are struggling to make a living care less about some old guy in Pakistan and more about making a buck.
5/21/2011 1:04 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 5/21/2011 12:00:00 AM (view original):
Why would anyone criticize Obama for killing US Enemy #1?
 
There are certain groups who criticize Obama for anything and everything, whether it's something he actually did, something he's only vaguely connected to or something completely untethered from reality.

That's what swamp meant when he says Obama doesn't "take responsibility" for anything. He's including bullshit like the Bill Ayers 'connection' and food stamps in the list of things Obama has avoided responsibility for.
See here is the real issue.

You see Obama being treated by most of the media fairly and being treated very unfairly by a handful of extreme conservatives.

I see Obama getting treated very well by most of the media. Also getting support from many political comedy shows who portray everything with a hard left spin. There is a waco fringe that sees Obama as a Muslim sleeper agent, but every president had something like that so again its normal.

So we need to analyze the facts to see the truth.

5/21/2011 1:34 PM
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I didn't say conservatives, I said "certain groups". If I had meant conservatives that's what I would have said. Respond to what someone actually says or don't bother responding at all.
5/21/2011 10:57 PM
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If the media doesn't treat him well, they get black balled.  It has already happened several times.
5/22/2011 9:40 PM
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"Please let me finish my answers next time we do an interview"
5/22/2011 10:21 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 5/21/2011 10:57:00 PM (view original):
I didn't say conservatives, I said "certain groups". If I had meant conservatives that's what I would have said. Respond to what someone actually says or don't bother responding at all.
In reality you meant certain conservative groups. I have never seen anyone so afraid to stand up for what they believe. You always find some way to tap dance around the issue by finding some minor technical point.

So I will expalin to everyone what you are acutally saying so we can get some debate in.

Again you see it as he is being treated normal by most and attacked in an unreasonable way by some. I believe he is getting a cake walk by most and average flack by some. since all presidents get crazies that is irrelevant.
5/23/2011 3:38 AM
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Quote post by swamphawk22 on 5/23/2011 3:38:00 AM:
In reality you meant certain conservative groups.

Glenn Greenwald is not conservative.

The writers at FireDogLake are not conservative.

Respond to what someone actually says, or don't bother responding at all.
5/23/2011 11:01 AM
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Posted by antonsirius on 5/23/2011 11:01:00 AM (view original):
Quote post by swamphawk22 on 5/23/2011 3:38:00 AM:
In reality you meant certain conservative groups.

Glenn Greenwald is not conservative.

The writers at FireDogLake are not conservative.

Respond to what someone actually says, or don't bother responding at all.
There are always going to be some people on every presidents extreme side that dont think he is extreme enough. That isnt what you referenced when you called me out on the responsibility issue.

So lets drop it and return to the issue.

Obama is not taking responsibility for anything. Everything is someone elses fault, and he is doing a great job.

The Obama stimulus is the best example. It was a huge amount of money sucked out of the system, and it did almost nothing. When the left analyzes it only the jobs it created are mentioned. The fact that it didnt really impact unemployment is pushed aside. Unemployment is Bush's fault, anything good is because of Obama.

The fact that he is for the most part carrying out the Bush foreign policy isnt mentioned. He got Bin Laden. Any problems are Bush's fault. Everything that got us to getting Bin Laden isnt relevant. Obama got Osama.

As late as 2007 there were newspaper stroies about how good the economy was. Of course the left needs to rewrite that. Bush destroyed the economy and Obama is our savior. This isnt a normal downturn dragged out by horible fiscal policies. This is Obama saving us from Bush!
5/23/2011 1:25 PM
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OK, I'll respond to your bullshit exactly once, and then you'll keep spinning more bullshit and I'll go back to ignoring you until you re-learn your lesson.

1) "Obama is not taking responsibility for anything" is a complete ******* lie. He's the ******* president. He's responsible for everything. As I said before, when you use the word "responsibility" what you mean is, "he doesn't fess up to every bullshit attack that gets lobbed at him." That's not responsibility.

2) The fact that you call the stimulus "a huge amount of money sucked out of the system" is a ******* joke borne out of your complete ignorance of economics. The stimulus was an inefficient, desperate but necessary effort to get some money back into the system after it had ground to a halt following the collapse of Wall Street's mortgage derivative scam. That was the true "huge amount of money sucked out of the system". And how Obama's stimulus is an example of him "not taking responsibility for anything" is complete beyond me. Only a sad fucktard incapable of thinking for himself could be led to a conclusion that ridiculous. "Obama's stimulus is proof he doesn't take responsibility for anything!" Do you ever think at all before regurgitating that bullshit, or is it pure reflex?

3) Bush's foreign policy, specifically the focus on Iraq over al Qaeda, was a ******* disaster. Obama had to clean up his mess. So yes, Obama gets credit for getting OBL, getting troops out of Iraq and all the other things he did to try and fix what Bush broke and fucked up.

4) Of course there were stories as late as 2007 about how great the economy was, you utterly pathetic joke. Wall Street's skyscrapers of cards hadn't collapsed yet. What your bullshit peddler masters try to call "rewriting history" the rest of us call "understanding history". Usually people try to do something to correct their ignorance about a subject. You revel in it.


Oh, and since "let's just drop it and move on" is as close as you'll ever get to admitting you were wrong about something, I accept your apology.
5/23/2011 3:50 PM
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I cannot tell if you are so insulated from the reality of the political scene in America that you actually belive this or if you are just pushing anti-Conservative Propoganda but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are serious...

1 Just because Obama is responsible does not mean he is taking responsibility. His spokepeople keep pusing the message that the world was so screwed up by Bush that he could not make America better so dont blame him for anything. This is a common message.

2 The Stimulus did suck money out of the economy, Real money that citizens pay for in taxes or the government takes out in loans. The Real Estate Bubble collapse was mostly on paper. Stocks and house values fell, but the money was all still there. You might want to learn more about what is real. The reson the Stimulus is not taking responsiblity is that it failed in a big way, but no one on their side admits this. If that money had went to a real stimulus, or just been given back to the tax payers we would be farther along. As it was, an agenda driven failure, it hurt us.

3 The war in Iraq ravaged Al Qadea. Your attempt to paint it like that, since Obama got Bin Laden, is sad spinning. The fact is very little with foreign policy, Gitmo and the Patriot act is different with Obama, even though this was the main thrust of his campaign before the economic collapse.

4 So Bush kept the economy solid until the bubble collapse. Is that what the Obama supporters are claiming? They are saying Bush destroyed the economy. That is was horrible while he was in office.

And it is as close to an apology as you might get. Of course it is closer that anything you have ever given me. Even after I proved you lied about me being a liar!
5/23/2011 5:51 PM
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