Posted by raucous on 7/31/2011 9:10:00 PM (view original):
I can copy and paste too.  I can read the FAQ all by myself.  In Iba, I noticed that by 6 pm on the first day of recruiting, SIMAI already had some players considering those players.  I thought that was odd.

That's not odd, that's totally normal and has been the case for years. They do their initial recruiting just before us. This is much better than them doing it at the same time, where you'd put effort into a guy only to discover that a sim was on him as well.

The biggest problem is they respond to slow and it hurts a guy recruiting and then sours him on the game.  The responses come a day later and then there bogus at best so if your lucky enough to get help on a problem its way to late and hurts your team for a season or two.  The fact is alot has changed and its NO one now what or why and there is a good chance more will change. 

This is pretty typical where they have a hall of fame level coach that they try to explain the game to like a rookie.

Posted by Iguana1 on 8/1/2011 8:57:00 AM (view original):
It's not unheard of for a human coach to get ahead of a sim and then the sim pulls back ahead.  Although rare, this has been going on for years and I've assumed it had to do with the early recruiting credit being weighed differently as recruiting progresses.

The concerning part is the lack of an email saying the sim has pulled ahead.

yes or should I say +1

This seems similar to a thread I created a month ago.

This one happened to me (clear #1 choice, then "too late..." with no warning) about a year ago, so it's not entirely new.

for my 2 cents, one of three things is going on:

#1 - if considering credit is kicking in, then it appears that there is a problem that a message does not get sent telling the coach in ? he has fallen behind. 

#2 - If the sim is spending extra money, then both the message is missing, as well as some communication from above that would have informed us all of a change in sim recruiting.  For all it is worth, at some point (I did not look up when, but it is definitely not the same as it was say 5 years ago), sim recruiting did change, it is not impossible that sims now have the ability to throw in extra money, but as far as I know, I never recall being informed of such change.

#3 - how did someone put it describing a different issue with me, mass hysteria resulting in a group think mentality, in other words, we are all making this stuff up

I am most inclined to think that #2 is at fault, I have trouble imagining considering credit to be that strong a factor, although I guess we are talking about tens of thousands of recruits, and only happens maybe 1 or 2 times month, who knows, maybe seble can investigate for us???

Posted by oldresorter on 8/1/2011 11:08:00 AM (view original):
for my 2 cents, one of three things is going on:

#1 - if considering credit is kicking in, then it appears that there is a problem that a message does not get sent telling the coach in ? he has fallen behind. 

#2 - If the sim is spending extra money, then both the message is missing, as well as some communication from above that would have informed us all of a change in sim recruiting.  For all it is worth, at some point (I did not look up when, but it is definitely not the same as it was say 5 years ago), sim recruiting did change, it is not impossible that sims now have the ability to throw in extra money, but as far as I know, I never recall being informed of such change.

#3 - how did someone put it describing a different issue with me, mass hysteria resulting in a group think mentality, in other words, we are all making this stuff up

I am most inclined to think that #2 is at fault, I have trouble imagining considering credit to be that strong a factor, although I guess we are talking about tens of thousands of recruits, and only happens maybe 1 or 2 times month, who knows, maybe seble can investigate for us???

No. 1 is an interesting theory here...

I'm pretty sure in one of the last developers chats there was a sort of "walk-thru" about how Sims recruit (I only remember it because it was something about how Sims don't actually use money per se, but rather convert straight to action values...hopefully that description is enough to trigger someone else's memory on where exactly the matter appeared)

I don't recall there being anything in that discussion indicating that a change in timing for Sim recruiting had been made though.

Jeff,

I'm curious to know if the FSS "word on the street" changed in this time that you noticed.

here's how I envision SIM recruiting to work:
for this example let's assume a D1 SIM with 6 openings.

PRIMARY RECRUITS
With six openings there usually are two primary recruits that the sim will dump alot of effort into.
for example, recruit #1 may get the equivilent of a set amount of recruiting points that could translate into something around  50 HV, 25 CV, starter, 20 minutes
recruit #2 may get the same or a slightly lesser amount;  ie.. 40 HV, 20 CV, 15 minutes

These recruits show up immediately on the recruits consider list and FSS will show the SIM as "tight" "solid" or "high priority"

Doesn't matter if the recruit is 10 miles or 3000 miles away from the SIM, the same effort is put into them.
I'm not sure where the forum fact of a sim recruiting from 200-250 miles came from.  I don't believe I've ever seen anything from the developer as to there being any substance behind a set SIM distance.


SECONDARY RECRUITS
the sim will also put in lesser effort into their secondary recruits.
perhaps recruiting effort equaling something in the area of 10 HV and 5 CV for recruit #'s three and four.

these secondary recruits will also immediately show up on the recruits consider list but FSS will list them as "early frontrunner", "not a priority", "keeping options open", "very open to other offers" and "not 100% sold"

Whereas the Primary recruits may take a human coach with similar prestige $25k-$30k+ to get ahead of the sim, these secondary recruits can be passed with possibly less than $10k.


TERTIARY RECRUITS
I believe the general consensus is that the sims will do a second wave of recruiting after the signings begin.  I'm not convinced that sims actually do complete a second round.

If it's anything like recruiting from a human run team, it is possible that the sim will put minimal effort into recruiting the final spots on their roster during their initial wave of recruiting.
Maybe something in the range of 3 HV.

This isn't enough to immediately get the sim on the consider list, but as the recruit's minimal requirements to consider a team decline, it's enough effort to get the sim considered a few cycles after the signings begin.

If sims recruit after signings it's odd that some sims will sign a couple late additions while other sims never get on the consider list for any additional recrits.

In reference to OldWarrior's comment under Primary recruits regarding the 200-250 mile forum fact.

From the Recruiting section of the FAQ that can be accessed off the Help tab on the team page:

"Q: Do AI-controlled teams recruit like humans?

I guess it's roughly since they don't actually use the money but some conversion to available recruiting value.  I don't even think that was from a Dev Chat, I think it was just a couple of veterans tickets that brought that information to light.

Jeff, who was the recruit/what team is he on now? (Feel free to sitemail me if you prefer.)

Dalter -- he was William Coker, now on St. Francis of NY (Rupp).  As you can see, no great loss :)