The latest company line BS along with my response.

8/18/2011 7:08 PM	Customer Support
A team's previous recruiting bonus does not "activate" until they actually perform a recruiting action for the current season. This is why your visits were accepted, etc. When the other team actually started recruiting him this season, they received the credit from the previous season and it was was enough to sway the recruit towards them and eventually sign with them.
8/18/2011 7:16 PM	bow2dacowz
I still don't understand and have not been given a valid explanation for how it is possible for a team with 2 levels lower prestige to spend an amount up to or less than 10 SV's and 10 HV's and have that effort surpass an effort of 46 Scouting Visits and 2 HV's by such an extensive amount that I'm not even able to get on to his considering list. That is not congruent with anything we have ever been told in regards to recruiting which is basically that when all things are equal you have to match or exceed effort put forth by another school. By every calculation ever done by any long-time player as to relative values of home visits to campus visits to scouting visits the amount of effort I put in far and away surpasses the amount of effort the other coach put in.....AND I have a prestige advantage.

That's total BS...  JUCO players start out recruiting considering human-coached schools because of carryover.  Unless that's been changed.

i thought so dahs...but wasn't sure enough to include that in my response.

Of course this also was not a juco player so I'm not sure why they bring up jucos in the first place in their earlier response.  It was a transfer player...and I'm not sure how that is different, if at all...

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/18/2011 7:24:00 PM (view original):
That's total BS...  JUCO players start out recruiting considering human-coached schools because of carryover.  Unless that's been changed.

I agree with Dahs here.  Unless, like he said, something was changed in like the last hour or so.

Posted by emy1013 on 8/18/2011 8:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/18/2011 7:24:00 PM (view original):
That's total BS...  JUCO players start out recruiting considering human-coached schools because of carryover.  Unless that's been changed.

I agree with Dahs here.  Unless, like he said, something was changed in like the last hour or so.

ugh, i always swore i'd never be the guy to get this aggravated over something like this....

...but i am.   they're going to get very annoyed with me because i'm not going to let it go.

FYI the scholarship thing is definitely what Rails said, guys don't decline scholarship offers and then accept visits, at least far as I know. Recruiting is definitely a bit buggy lately whether CS wants to admit it or not. I believe they know there are problems but are struggling to fix them and are going with the "deny, deny, deny" policy.

If he doesn't have an outstanding offer, then the early recruiting efforts are diminished as well.  I overlooked a rejected offer once and was pounding a guy with recruiting efforts and couldn't figure out why he wasn't considering me.  When I finally realized he rejected the first offer and I re-submitted it he went from not considering to considering with no other efforts, and then signed the next period.  But maybe I'm not understanding the issue.  Good luck sorting it out.

Well, I think as Rails and kmason pointed out, he never declined the scholarship until he signed with the other school.  That would make the most sense, as there is absolutely no reason that player should have been declining a scholarship offer from a B prestige school at that point in the recruiting process, and I certainly never noticed during recruiting that it said anything other than "rescind scholarship offer $0" on the recruiting page after I offered to him.

Yeah ignore my comments - I'm just not following the situation.  The way I read the recruiting history was that he declined an offer on 8/15 after only 2 HV's.    If that didn't actually occur and you didn't get the decline offer email on 8/15, then you certainly have a complaint.  My other guess was that a third school might have been involved.  If an A school comes in and does a ST and never follows up, I think sometimes that screws things up and makes the recruits expectations change just by the interest from a higher school.   But that's just speculation anyway, and not necessarily true, or applicable here.

No problem...No other schools ever showed up on his considering list besides the C+ that got him.  Not sure if any put in effort or not.  At this point I'm not sure if I'm more annoyed about the situation with the recruit or by customer service telling me with a straight face that $400 and partial credit for at the most 10HV and 10SV the prior season by a team 2 prestige levels lower surpasses the effort I put in this season by such an excessive amount that I was never able to be considered after 46 SVs and 2 HVs.

Can't wait to see what they say next.

Posted by bow2dacowz on 8/18/2011 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Rails on 8/18/2011 2:04:00 PM (view original):
The declined offer probably switched to declined from pending when he signed with the other team.  Did he not accept any CV/HVs at all during the process.  It would seem that he would be a dropdown but that doesn't seem on par if he went to another lower level team.  I will say that ST are the most expensive way to recruit.  You can spend sometimes 9 or 10 times as much for a similar effort using st.

Rails-he accepted the first 2 HV's in the inital cycle and then suddenly stopped accepting them after that...so I began treating it like a drop down..which I don't think I should have had to do, but I did anyway...but after 46 SV's he still never dropped.


Also you could very well be right about the scholarship offer.  I certainly never noticed anything about it during the recruiting process until I went to paste the efforts here.

Kid accepted home visits initially.  Am I reading that the kid wasn;t considering anyone or was he considering the team that recruited him last season?  There are times when a team is so far behind that they wont accept hvs or cvs.  But again this doesn't appear the case even though that's what it's looking like played out.

Very weak.  If you put the two homevisits into a kid that alone should be enough to get on the list if no other effort was given...

yeah he accepted the first 2 when nobody was on him and then after the 2nd  or 3rd cycle the other school showed up as considering and he wouldnt accept anything from that point on.  i just assumed the other coach had spent a fortune so i kept trying the SV's to try and get close enough that I could do some other HV or CV because the other coach had so many guys considering him i knew he couldn't have much cash left if he had dropped so much on this guy....so i thought if i could just get him to consider me i'd be set.  then  the other coach admitted to spending only $400 this year and at most 10SV and 10HV last year, of which he'd only get partial credit for anyway (1/2?  1/4?  anyone know?)...so the odds of me being so far behind that the effort i spent wouldn't get me on his considering list is......slim and none.

Good luck to you, bow2dacowz. This is just bad.

Some possible explanations:

1) The logic with transfers is not the same as the logic with JUCOs.  I could see the JUCO reduction happening when recruiting ends and funds are cut at the same time.  If the guy is a transfer then the effort doesn't get reduced (because at the time he was a signed recruit for another team).  I'm assuming here that he signed with team C while team B was also recruiting him, then he transferred, team A (bow's team) recruits him as well as team B.

2) Team B is not being honest about how much effort was spent.  (I don't know who team B is, no offense to whomever it is.)

3) Team B used boosters.  (Again no offense and this is not an accusation just a list of possibilities.)

Can't think of any others (besides a vague 'there's a bug' scenario).  Anyone else?