Reflections of a GOP operative who left the cult Topic

GOOD LUCK IN INDIA, TRAITORS

9/6/2011 7:17 PM
THANKS, BUDDY!!!
9/6/2011 7:24 PM
Oh, let's not call them traitors.  Too harsh!  They're smart businessmen, that's all. 

And their many defenders will be quick to point out that the US gov't doesn't bend over backwards far enough for these guys, doesn't give them enough tax breaks, doesn't  allow them to pollute enough, doesn't allow them to pay their workers less than minimum wage, doesn't let them loot the Treasury to their satisfaction.  We've got to show fealty to the job creators, at all times.  They create the jobs!
9/6/2011 7:25 PM

Sarcasm will get you nowhere if you want to have a serious discussion.  

Businesses are in business to turn a profit.    Agreed?

So, when someone or something affects the bottom line, what would a smart business do?    I'll answer because, if you don't see it, I can't help you anyway.  Find another way to get the profit margin back up.   Agreed?

Does taxation affect the bottom line?   Yes.  Agreed?

So, with this info, what do you think a higher taxation rate would do?   I'll give you a few options.
1.  Send jobs overseas.
2.  Increase cost to the consumer. 
3.  Lower wages/benefits to employees.

If you said "All of the above", you have correctly passed the test.

9/6/2011 7:36 PM
OK! We will give companies breaks so they produce jobs but tax the BA-JESUS out of everyone making 250,000 or better. Problem solved!
9/6/2011 7:51 PM
To those of you that may not be aware............only Mike is permitted use of sarcasm in these threads.
9/6/2011 7:59 PM
Posted by moosep on 9/6/2011 7:51:00 PM (view original):
OK! We will give companies breaks so they produce jobs but tax the BA-JESUS out of everyone making 250,000 or better. Problem solved!
In another thread, I pointed out that taxing everyone 1% should equal about 74 billion.

Surely most of the 'tards on this site wouldn't mind paying an extra $150 or so a year.  That's $3 a week.  One less double cheeseburger for them to consume.
9/6/2011 8:21 PM
Hamburger I would agree to but come on now, double cheeseburger, I think not!
9/6/2011 11:15 PM
A $3 double cheeseburger? What's it made of - dog food?
9/7/2011 12:54 PM
Idaho isn't exactly "high cost of living".
9/7/2011 4:39 PM
Did anyone read the piece.

This guy says nothing original or even insightful. He just reapeats a lot of tired old rhetoric.

He quoted an unknown staffer. So a mystery nobody! There are staffers on both sides who have the job of creating a winning enviroment. They dont get to make all the laws of course.

If this was written by a Dem it would be nothing, so why is it important when it comes from a former Republican??
9/8/2011 2:14 AM
swamp and padna are quick with the "nothing to see here, move along" analysis, but some in the media are picking up on this article, and they're a little more impressed with it than our resident cons here.

James Fallows at The Atlantic wrote about it twice recently:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/09/a-harsh-case-against-obama-and-his-opponents/244512/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/09/people-dont-realize-how-fragile-democracy-really-is/244559/

Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone also weighed in:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/how-the-apocalyptic-gop-is-dragging-us-into-a-civil-war-20110907?link=mostpopular5 

I'd really like to see this piece get as much attention as possible.  This is what the "low-information" voters should be reading.



9/8/2011 3:44 AM (edited)
Anonymous pieces aren't worth the time it takes to read them(unless, of course, they "prove" what you believe).    Put a name on it so the source can be verified.
9/8/2011 6:58 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/6/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):

Sarcasm will get you nowhere if you want to have a serious discussion.  

Businesses are in business to turn a profit.    Agreed?

So, when someone or something affects the bottom line, what would a smart business do?    I'll answer because, if you don't see it, I can't help you anyway.  Find another way to get the profit margin back up.   Agreed?

Does taxation affect the bottom line?   Yes.  Agreed?

So, with this info, what do you think a higher taxation rate would do?   I'll give you a few options.
1.  Send jobs overseas.
2.  Increase cost to the consumer. 
3.  Lower wages/benefits to employees.

If you said "All of the above", you have correctly passed the test.

If you said "all of the above" then you have failed economics 101.

1.) If companies could charge higher prices, they would already be doing so (no company would leave profits on the table).  Since increasing corporate tax rates has no impact whatsoever on what consumers are willing to pay, corporations paying higher taxes would not be able to increase revenue (or profits) by raising prices.

2.) If companies could reduce their wages/benefits, they would already be doing so (no company would leave profits on the table).  Since increasing corporate tax rates has no impact whatsoever on what wages workers will accept in order to take a job, corporations paying higher taxes will not be able to reduce costs (or increase profits) by lowering wages or benefits.

No need to repeat the argument re: sending job overseas.  It works exactly the same way.

In fact, there is no theoretical relationship, and more damningly no empirical relationship, between corporate tax rates and any of the things described in Mike23's post. 

9/8/2011 7:03 AM
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