I would be fine cutting a few days off of spring training to extend that initial window for re-signing free agents/coaches and negotiating with arb guys.  Arbitration itself should still only need to be one day.  But a week is overkill.  The time between seasons can already be interminably long, especially if you miss the playoffs and have to spend any time at all in between seasons filling your world.   I wouldn't want another 7-10 days of doing essentially nothing once the new season starts.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/2/2011 9:39:00 AM (view original):
OK, I see your edit now.

So Arb and FA re-signing at 7 days.    Are you, dcbove, implying that that's not ridiculous?

mike, a civil discussion might Include you reading my posts as opposed to instantly insulting my reading comprehension skills. In the quote above you ask about the ridiculousness of a 7 day arb resigning period.

My response was an example where I describe how some aspects of the arb resigning period (that is, the portion where you sign arb eligible players to long term contracts) could be extended to 7 days or longer. This would result in reducing the negative effects of missing a particular 48 hour period because the user could perform this one particular arb related activity at a later time.

I think another point of mine is that no schedule will accomodate everyone.   We have 32 owners in each world.   I doubt any of those world have all 32 in the same time zone let alone with the same work and vacation schedules.    You can extend everything to 10 days and some owners will still miss it.   An owner in one of my worlds is going on a two week honeymoon.   10 days wouldn't help him. 

The "best" suggestion I've seen regarding shortening ST is split squad.   Same amount of games in half the time.   Maybe, if ST is cut to three days, WifS could add a day to a few other events.   But, as AC says, there is a lot of downtime already if you miss the playoffs AND the world takes some time to fill.  That may not be a big deal to someone with 4-5 teams(I like the 6 day ST) but, for someone with 1-2 teams, it has to be maddening.    This is America.  We want instant gratification.   Re-signing your FA on the first cycle and waiting 48 hours to do something else seems crazy.   And it's entirely possible that you will miss a day or two after that due to other committments that you wouldn't have with a 24 hour window to accomplish the same task.

Posted by dcbove on 11/2/2011 10:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/2/2011 9:39:00 AM (view original):
OK, I see your edit now.

So Arb and FA re-signing at 7 days.    Are you, dcbove, implying that that's not ridiculous?

mike, a civil discussion might Include you reading my posts as opposed to instantly insulting my reading comprehension skills. In the quote above you ask about the ridiculousness of a 7 day arb resigning period.

My response was an example where I describe how some aspects of the arb resigning period (that is, the portion where you sign arb eligible players to long term contracts) could be extended to 7 days or longer. This would result in reducing the negative effects of missing a particular 48 hour period because the user could perform this one particular arb related activity at a later time.

The problem is that this issue isn't really with first and second year arb guys, it's with 3rd years.  If you miss arb with a first or second year arb guy that you wanted to sign long term, you can always re-sign him the next year.  And if they wanted to change that, they could simply allow you to negotiate with these guys at any point during the season like you can with free agents.  The issue is that if you arb a guy 2 times with the intent of signing him long-term, and then miss the arb period, he won't sign long term without going to FA.  If you allow some extension period after arb where he will re-sign long term, you basically eliminate that aspect of the game.   The only thing you can really do to help that situation out is allow more time before arbitration.

Posted by dcbove on 11/2/2011 10:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/2/2011 9:39:00 AM (view original):
OK, I see your edit now.

So Arb and FA re-signing at 7 days.    Are you, dcbove, implying that that's not ridiculous?

mike, a civil discussion might Include you reading my posts as opposed to instantly insulting my reading comprehension skills. In the quote above you ask about the ridiculousness of a 7 day arb resigning period.

My response was an example where I describe how some aspects of the arb resigning period (that is, the portion where you sign arb eligible players to long term contracts) could be extended to 7 days or longer. This would result in reducing the negative effects of missing a particular 48 hour period because the user could perform this one particular arb related activity at a later time.

If you weren't editing your posts, or adding new ones, while I was responding, we might see different results.

Nonetheless, I did respond to that.   You can re-sign arb players next season.    One thing that has to be accounted for is jerkoffs ruining teams on their way out.   Allowing owners more time to screw up a team isn't a good thing.   Signing players who will be arb-el next season to LT deals in season would be a good way to do that.  Owners gets mad, in-season, and decides to leave.   Lock the next guy into some deals and leave him no manuverability.   It's unfortunate that this sort of thing needs to be accounted for but it does.

Posted by dcbove on 11/2/2011 9:26:00 AM (view original):
As always, reductio ad absurdum from MikeT23.

Sorry, just tired of it.

Not that I am advocating it, but missing the 24 hour budgeting window could be ameliorated by letting portions of the budget that have not yet come into play (prospect, training, etc.) be adjusted for a few more days.

Etc.

Not just one ridiculous scenario that the suggestor is not proposing.

BTW, this is NOT how to start a civil discussion.  

And that was the edited version where you actually commented on the original poster's request. 

If I was going to take some days off of ST to extend the FA re-signing and arbitration window, I think I'd also do something like moving coaching hiring into that slot, and maybe then you can take a day off of FA since you're not doing it simultaneously with coach hiring.  I agree - having an extended window right at the start of the season when most owners in the league have nothing to do is a bad idea.

No schedule will work for everyone.  And you certainly can't schedule emergency situations.   How many people in the northeast have been unable to check in due to power outages?   Or Floridians who get hit by a hurricane every year.

Once, before HBD was invented, I suggested that WifS not sim SLB games on national holidays.   Your wife doesn't want to hear, on Christmas Day, "I gotta check my team.  I'm in the playoffs and I might need to adjust my rotation" when family is showing up.   She wants you basting the damn turkey.   Anyway, I was met with much worse comments by SLB vets for that suggestion.    The best solution is to remember that it's a game on the internet.  If you didn't get a chance to re-sign your FA because your cousin was in a car accident, I'd say something more important came up. 

Oh, I agree that no schedule will work for everyone.   I'm really more looking at making what I think would be a better overall pre-season schedule as opposing to just adding cushion time in certain places.

I think one of the biggest problems with suggestions is that they're individual-based.   I know that makes sense as we all want what we want but WifS has to determine what's best for everyone.   I learned this lesson my 2nd season as commish of Coop.  I was attempting to hold rollover until it was convenient for everyone.   Had I stayed on that path, we might be in season three instead of season twenty.  The wants/needs of the individual can't overrule the good of the collective.

SOCIALISM RULES!!!!!

We are Geth.

Posted by dcbove on 11/2/2011 9:43:00 AM (view original):
By the way, if WIS admins are listening, the original poster made a reasonable suggestion, maybe not one that you want to implement, but reasonable.

MikeT23 gets it wrong (misses the 48 hour comment that the OP made in the first post) and then makes up a straw man argument to ridicule the OP. In the meantime, the OP is gracious.

I try to stick up for the guy and get a STFU from MikeT23.

In the meantime you promote this obnoxious troll with your "interview a user" article? This is the guy you want to hold up as a model member of the community? This is the guy you want new and potential customers to see in the forums as a privileged member of the WIS community? I hope you realize that a considerable portion of the quieter members of WIS can't stand him.

Maybe you'd like to come back and edit this.

Once you decided to discuss the topic rather than just make snide comments directed at me, the entire thread moved back to the topic and back to civility. 

Maybe you need to re-evaluate who the problem is.

I did not read everything that was just argued. Every situation can be discussed on its own merit and not just using my general wording of long term important. I feel in this situation WIS could extend the time period without changing or having a effect on any other part of the game.

You can extend contract extensions to arb players to last through free agency, Just limit the amount of seasons you can extend to 4 plus the current arb year. 

When possible WIS should avoid letting outside the game situations influence a owners ability to compete. As a owner I want to beat someone based on in game situations and I would prefer as much consideration as reasonably possible should be given. 

I don't see how anyone can argue in this situation when nothing else is effected that its best for everyone to have 2 days to sign 3rd year arb players to long term contracts instead of 7 days.  It has as much of a effect as signing any other of your free agents during the season.