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thewizard10
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I think it may be worth looking into to have maybe 5 or  6 major conferences in line with the same prestige, instead of just the ACC. This will avoid the same conference dominating all the time.

11/28/2011 3:29 PM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 11/27/2011 8:49:00 PM (view original):
I kind've get the impression your not fully clear on how the baseline prestige system works. How it works is at the start of the game back in 2003 or whatever it was the creators of the game assigned a baseline prestige to every D1 team (pretty sure all D2 and D3 have equal baselines), and that baseline never changes. The prestige we see changes but based on baseline it makes it easier or harder for a team's visible prestige to increase. So a team with an A+ baseline has a very easy time getting to A+, whereas a team with a B baseline will have a more difficult time. The higher the baseline prestige it's also harder for your prestige to drop too far. For example last season in Tark Kentucky went 2-25 or something like that and their prestige stayed at A+, a team with a B baseline would have seen a drop.

On top of that conference prestige has a noticeable impact on visible prestige in D1 whereas it really doesn't as far as I've noticed in D2 and D3. So back to baseline prestige and the ACC. The conferecnce seemingly got very favorable baseline ratings from the original programmers and thus it makes it easy for a lot of the schools to get to A+ prestige, which in turn increases the conference prestige and then makes it easier for all the schools to increase their prestige while at the same time making it more difficult for their prestige to decrease.
I understand now, but in reality aren't the ACC and the Big East the best conferences for basketball? I mean looking at the list of schools in the ACC they are generally powerhouses in college basketball and they do get the cream of the crop among recruits and money. I think more so the Big East now than the ACC now, but still what is the proposition to appease this?
11/28/2011 8:35 PM
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Posted by alblack56 on 11/27/2011 7:51:00 AM (view original):
Please let us know  1) how many are still ranked after non-conference play;   2) how many are still ranked about they beat each other up in conference play
All still ranked, everyone in the Top-16.

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School Coach Conf.
W-L		 Overall
W-L		 Home
W-L		 Road
W-L		 Top 25
W-L		 Last 10 STRK RPI SOS
#2 UNC girt25 0-0 10-0 2-0 8-0 0-0 10-0 W10 18 111
#16 Virginia Tech aporter 0-0 10-0 4-0 6-0 0-0 10-0 W10 9 68
#9 Duke acn24 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 2-0 10-0 W10 21 127
#3 Georgia Tech djbrewer0808 0-0 10-0 2-0 8-0 1-0 10-0 W10 39 198
#7 Virginia wang35 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 W10 7 65
#15 Miami (FL) kyle_lee7 0-0 9-1 1-1 8-0 0-1 9-1 W3 31 137
 
 
 
 
 
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School Coach Conf.
W-L		 Overall
W-L		 Home
W-L		 Road
W-L		 Top 25
W-L		 Last 10 STRK RPI SOS
#8 N. Carolina St. fmschwab 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 W10 11 76
#5 Florida St. hoosierchap 0-0 10-0 3-0 7-0 1-0 10-0 W10 5 61
#14 Wake Forest farmlife 0-0 10-0 6-0 4-0 0-0 10-0 W10 42 208
#12 Clemson kelby_03 0-0 10-0 7-0 3-0 1-0 10-0 W10 53 227
#1 Maryland viperhoops 0-0 10-0 2-0 8-0 1-0 10-0 W10 10 75
#6 Boston College brikeisco 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 0-0 10-0 W10 44 214
12/8/2011 3:52 PM
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Very creative on the scheduling front on a couple levels.  First, everybody is pretty close to guaranteed to end up with 14 wins (I think a couple teams will struggle to win the requisite four games in conference).  Secondly, because everybody will have 14 wins, the entire conference is going to be out earning postseason money and perpetuating the ACC dominance in Allen.  The only thing I would point out though is that some of those rankings are pretty artificial - there's no way Wake, for instance, is one of the top 16 teams in Allen.  Same with a couple others.  That being said, six or seven of those teams are probably also the six or seven best teams in the entire world. 

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd bet that there were some behind the scenes communications encouraging folks to schedule the way they did.  I'm sure it's all on the up and up though. 
12/8/2011 4:04 PM
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Miami is clearly the weak link. They should be moved to the Big East.
12/8/2011 4:05 PM
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Someone get on kyle_lee7's case and tell him he's dragging the league record into the gutter!

Also interesting that Virginia Tech has the third-best RPI and SOS in the non-conference, but possesses the worst ranking according to the pollsters. 
12/8/2011 4:06 PM
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Posted by rednu on 12/8/2011 4:06:00 PM (view original):
Someone get on kyle_lee7's case and tell him he's dragging the league record into the gutter!

Also interesting that Virginia Tech has the third-best RPI and SOS in the non-conference, but possesses the worst ranking according to the pollsters. 
The rankings are completely out of whack. 
12/8/2011 4:13 PM
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Posted by jslotman on 12/8/2011 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Very creative on the scheduling front on a couple levels.  First, everybody is pretty close to guaranteed to end up with 14 wins (I think a couple teams will struggle to win the requisite four games in conference).  Secondly, because everybody will have 14 wins, the entire conference is going to be out earning postseason money and perpetuating the ACC dominance in Allen.  The only thing I would point out though is that some of those rankings are pretty artificial - there's no way Wake, for instance, is one of the top 16 teams in Allen.  Same with a couple others.  That being said, six or seven of those teams are probably also the six or seven best teams in the entire world. 

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd bet that there were some behind the scenes communications encouraging folks to schedule the way they did.  I'm sure it's all on the up and up though. 
No need for any behind the scenes communications regarding scheduling the way they did.  Scheduling ten road games against Sim teams to boost a conference's overall record (and a team's RPI) is an old tactic that has been used for several years (I first noticed it in a D3 conference in Tark about 6 years ago).  To be honest, it's actually not even that creative.  Just simple math.  The recent updates that Seble has put into place should make this a little bit harder to do effectively, but I would venture to say that it won't stop it completely.
12/8/2011 6:22 PM
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emy, I've been thinking the same thing -- these new changes will definitely change my thoughts on scheduling for UNC. I haven't quite figured out how yet, but it's an interesting shift and a game changer.

And js, gimme a break -- now you think we're all coordinating our non-con scheduling? Jesus.

For those following, kyle_lee has been placed on probation. If this happens again, we're talking double secret probation. And after that ... it's a demotion to the Big Ten.
12/8/2011 10:45 PM
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emy and girt, how much will it change scheduling? I've been thinking about it too. The goal has been find 10 sims with lots of seniors, preferably in sim dominated conferences that you can beat and play them on the road. Those teams are expected to win 15+ against their weak schedules. So they still end up being top 100 maybe top 150 at worst teams. 10 wins over top 100 teams isn't bad.
12/9/2011 3:21 AM
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Posted by dacj501 on 12/9/2011 3:21:00 AM (view original):
emy and girt, how much will it change scheduling? I've been thinking about it too. The goal has been find 10 sims with lots of seniors, preferably in sim dominated conferences that you can beat and play them on the road. Those teams are expected to win 15+ against their weak schedules. So they still end up being top 100 maybe top 150 at worst teams. 10 wins over top 100 teams isn't bad.
And this is actually fun?
12/9/2011 8:42 AM
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lol...that is funny...12 ranked...The long term results you get when Freshman starts and playing time doesnt mean very much to the recruits. And you cant build a real life Duke or destroy a real life San Francisco.
12/9/2011 10:41 AM
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Posted by udm_mike on 12/9/2011 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 12/9/2011 3:21:00 AM (view original):
emy and girt, how much will it change scheduling? I've been thinking about it too. The goal has been find 10 sims with lots of seniors, preferably in sim dominated conferences that you can beat and play them on the road. Those teams are expected to win 15+ against their weak schedules. So they still end up being top 100 maybe top 150 at worst teams. 10 wins over top 100 teams isn't bad.
And this is actually fun?
I don't understand the question.  Making the NT is fun. This is how you improve your chances at doing so.
12/9/2011 12:06 PM
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And udm, it just matters what your conference looks like and how your team stacks up to your conference mates.

In the old days, I used to put together pretty backbreaking schedules. I was mostly in conferences that had a good # of sims or where I felt very confident I would have an extremely strong conference record. But if you're in a conference that is loaded and a dogfight night in, night out, that's a different story. I think you're better served to schedule some games that you can win. 

In the aggregate, you'll end up playing as many or more tough games as a team in a more average conference with a tougher non-con, so what's the difference?
12/9/2011 12:24 PM
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I  have been trying to get a whole conf to do this sense div III. We kind of do it, but we could do better. Most the time we've been #1 in div III, III and now we are like in the top 5 in div I. We send prob 7+ teams to the post season when we don't have the talent to do it if we were in another conf. I'm not sure why every conf doesn't do it sense there are enough sims to do it against. 
12/9/2011 2:26 PM
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