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Posted by dahsdebater on 12/14/2011 3:33:00 AM (view original):
Could people PLEASE read the forums a little bit before posting?  I bet this is the 5th time this has been posted in the past 5 months.
Yeah, for sure, we should all know everything.  Because the search function on these busted-*** boards works just great.
12/14/2011 2:34 PM
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I don't like this idea at all.  If you want to do it for international players, fine. 

But how about this example.  I long distance poached Oregon in season 50.....now every season after that I get to have an advantage stealing players from Oregon? 

Or this....Hawaii doesn't recruit because all their scholarships are filled.  UCLA signs the best player in the Islands.  Next season UCLA has an advantage over Hawaii for the stud that comes around once every ten seasons?
12/14/2011 3:12 PM
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I think people are really overblowing the multiplier.  I'm not sure whether it would be good or bad yet, but I don't think people are asking for a 2x multiplier or anything.
12/14/2011 3:15 PM
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The HS pipeline is the happy medium here. It allows for a real life effect to come into the game, without putting cross country poachers at an advantage. Hawaii will still have an advantage that outweighs UCLA's slight HS pipeline advantage.

The only thing is that the HS effect would have to wear off. Just because you got a recruit 15 seasons ago doesnt make a new stud from the same high school want to attend. They want to play with guys they've already played with, not heard stories about.
12/14/2011 3:30 PM
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Hard to believe that it would be worth the programming effort to have a pipeline to one of the eleventy billion HSs out there.  The odds of useful players coming from the same high school is beyond infintessimal.
12/14/2011 3:50 PM
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Posted by cheeznsweet on 12/14/2011 3:50:00 PM (view original):
Hard to believe that it would be worth the programming effort to have a pipeline to one of the eleventy billion HSs out there.  The odds of useful players coming from the same high school is beyond infintessimal.
At the D3 level, at least, where recruiting is generally more likely to be regional (not national) and useful players often mean players with holes, it happens. At least once I've had guys from the same HS (different years) playing quality roles on the same squad.
12/14/2011 3:58 PM
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Posted by zbrent716 on 12/14/2011 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cheeznsweet on 12/14/2011 3:50:00 PM (view original):
Hard to believe that it would be worth the programming effort to have a pipeline to one of the eleventy billion HSs out there.  The odds of useful players coming from the same high school is beyond infintessimal.
At the D3 level, at least, where recruiting is generally more likely to be regional (not national) and useful players often mean players with holes, it happens. At least once I've had guys from the same HS (different years) playing quality roles on the same squad.
Yeah, I take that back for D2 and D3.  As soon as I typed it I realized I had my D1 hat on.
12/14/2011 4:02 PM
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Only you recruit regionally zbrent. How would you like it if you were the only guy in MIAC, and ODAC teams come into SD/ND/Minn etc. to outrecruit you every year with their 7k+ in playoff cash, and after 4 seasons, they get a bonus for SD/ND/MN etc.
12/14/2011 4:03 PM
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I still think people are exaggerating what is being asked for.  I don't think anyone thinks a pipeline should eliminate a 1000-mile advantage.

12/14/2011 5:03 PM
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Posted by isack24 on 12/14/2011 5:03:00 PM (view original):

I still think people are exaggerating what is being asked for.  I don't think anyone thinks a pipeline should eliminate a 1000-mile advantage.

No it shouldn't, but why add random advantages. The example I mentioned about ODAC is occurring right now. They are already going long distance and winning battles that way, signing guys from 500-2000 miles away. Similarly, I can easily imagine ACC Allen teams doing the same thing, taking 5 star recruits long distance with their bonus cash. It's not hard to imagine a team in a stacked human conf building up a pipeline in a long distance state.
12/14/2011 5:10 PM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 12/14/2011 4:03:00 PM (view original):
Only you recruit regionally zbrent. How would you like it if you were the only guy in MIAC, and ODAC teams come into SD/ND/Minn etc. to outrecruit you every year with their 7k+ in playoff cash, and after 4 seasons, they get a bonus for SD/ND/MN etc.
Again, I'm not advocating for the state-wide benefit, and while I do most of my recruiting regionally, it's not 100% that. I have the same opportunity to go somewhere else and pick up players from other regions.

So if someone from the ODAC really wanted to come challenge me for someone from a St. Paul HS, let them come. Even if they've picked up a recruit from that HS before, I'm not suggesting the bonus be enough that the ODAC person beats me $ for $ (or even close to it) at a 1000-mile disadvantage (with similar prestige).

Really, as much as anything, I think it would make a difference only at the lower end, where you've got a guy who you offer a scholarship to after a few scouting trips or a home visit, or where you are battling a conference-mate who is equally lightly invested. That HS guy (in RL) calls up his buddy who he played with for a few seasons; here, the recruit just has a slight inclination to come play with his buddy.

It wouldn't matter at D3 here, since it seems no European players will go to a D3 school, but this principle really comes into play (in my mind) with Int'l players, where some smaller schools (I know St. Rose did this when I was in HS) actually have a "pipeline" to/from a foreign country, where they have an established network.
12/14/2011 5:18 PM
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If you do it by a school by school basis, then maybe this idea would work, but most have suggested a statewide bonus.

The problem with a statewide bonus is, you just made it easier for a big conf team (ACC in almost every world) to come in from 1000 miles out to come in and take a 5 star recruit. Even in the current form, without baseline, it is possible for a team to come in and take top recruits from HI, from 2000+ miles out. 
12/14/2011 5:24 PM
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I prefer to recruit mostly regionally, but most of my teams are in big-state regions.  I certainly spread out more from Methodist (NC) than I do from PA or NY.  For the 2 NY teams and the PA team if you're going to FSS your home state you get one small state basically for free and any scouting beyond that becomes prohibitively expensive unless you have a ton of open scholarships.  If I can't fill my slots with home-state guys then I'll scout far away and try to pick up a few glossed-over dropdowns a few cycles after signings, but that's always my backup plan.  Right now Rochester has one guy from Texas, one from Arkansas, and one from Kansas I think, but 8 from NY.  So zbrent, you are clearly one of 2 people who recruit regionally.  Of course, you do a better job of it...

But I think Rochester looks pretty good this season.  I'm really disappointed with a 6-4 non-con, even if all of the losses were to top-10 teams.

12/14/2011 6:57 PM (edited)
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the whole recruiting segment needs to be reworked. make recruiting part of the season long process. yes new coaches will be at a disadvantage but arent they already?i say rework recruiting and these topics would go away.
12/15/2011 2:08 AM
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Posted by willowcards2 on 12/15/2011 2:08:00 AM (view original):
the whole recruiting segment needs to be reworked. make recruiting part of the season long process. yes new coaches will be at a disadvantage but arent they already?i say rework recruiting and these topics would go away.
Season long process would be terribly complex.   Not in favor at all.
12/15/2011 10:24 AM
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