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Posted by badja on 12/16/2011 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Well, I'll disagree somewhat on Melo.  Denver took the healthy Lakers super team to 6 and easily could have won the series.  Chuck calls Melo the league's best pure scorer and I would have to agree having watched him a lot while living in CO.

Thing is, he is not a flashy player at all.  You'll rarely find him on highlight reels, etc.  But he'll get you a very quiet 30 points.  Not many in the league that can do that night in, night out.

Amare really shrank last season.   Put Tyson in the mix though and they could be dangerous...but who is the team leader?  Can Melo be that guy?
And the Nugs got better when they dealt him and the Knicks were pretty much the same.

Melo is pretty good and all but it's not like LeBron's Cavs or Dwight's Magic, he had a pretty good cast in Denver.  Chauncey shot the lights out during that playoff run, Nene is an A+ 3rd option, and the 2nd unit absolutely crushed souls.  You can definitely build an offense around him and he rebounds pretty well, but he's so lazy on D that he's probably not a top 20 player in the league.

And the other thing is that him and Amar'e are somewhat redundant of each other, so they're not the best fit as centerpieces together.  There's value to having 2 elite iso players, but really one is sufficient to build around and you can not lose much if you add the right role players (see: Iverson in Philly).  Of course, this all makes Chandler an excellent addition because they desperately needed a defensive presence who could be efficient in a limited offensive role.  But if they could have traded one of Amar'e/Melo for Chris Paul, that would have been so so so much better than what they have now, although that mostly has to do with CP3 being a way better player than either of them.
12/18/2011 11:16 PM
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The Cavs were not that bad with Donyell, Z and Varejao.  The HGH Magic were all solid shooters.  What's more, look at the playoff teams in the West for Melo's career compared to the weak *** East.  Complete joke.

12/19/2011 8:50 AM
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Posted by badja on 12/19/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
The Cavs were not that bad with Donyell, Z and Varejao.  The HGH Magic were all solid shooters.  What's more, look at the playoff teams in the West for Melo's career compared to the weak *** East.  Complete joke.

The Cavs were an awful team outside of Lebron.  It is no accident they went from 60+ wins in consecutive seasons to 19 wins last year.  Even the year you are talking about when they went to the finals and were swept by the Spurs the team was awful outside of Lebron.  I mean Larry Hughes was the second best player on that team.  Larry Hughes.
12/19/2011 8:58 AM
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and that team made it to the Finals in the East.  Kind of makes my point. 

It doesn't change that fact that Melo was up against a list of future HOF'ers his whole career thus far, and still won 50 games every year.  You want awful?  Look at the Nuggs before Melo got there.
12/19/2011 9:10 AM
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Anyone got thoughts on Ty Lawson? I'm thinking about grabbing him in my fantasy bball league.
12/19/2011 12:31 PM
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Posted by badja on 12/19/2011 9:10:00 AM (view original):
and that team made it to the Finals in the East.  Kind of makes my point. 

It doesn't change that fact that Melo was up against a list of future HOF'ers his whole career thus far, and still won 50 games every year.  You want awful?  Look at the Nuggs before Melo got there.
lol

Cavs become the worst team in the league without LeBron, and THE NUGGETS GET BETTER without Melo and you're citing the quality of the team 9 years ago.

Nuggs with Melo on the court: +4.2
Nuggs with Melo off the court: +5.2

These two situations, they are not comparable.
12/19/2011 12:44 PM
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Cavs were +10.5/-5.5 with LeBron's on/off court in 09-10, +13.7/-7.3 in 08-09.

The team as a whole went from a +6.2 SRS to -8.9 without any other key losses.

Shirley you can't be serious.
12/19/2011 12:46 PM
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Nuggz start off 32-25 with Melo, then trade him and end the season on a 18-7 run.

 

Yup, his supporting cast was totally comparable to the Cavs.

12/19/2011 12:48 PM
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Posted by caesari on 12/19/2011 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Anyone got thoughts on Ty Lawson? I'm thinking about grabbing him in my fantasy bball league.
He's dope, do grab
12/19/2011 12:48 PM
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Gotta love where I said "Melo is as good as Lebron".  Please find that for me Dean and please read all of my posts here before trying to point out things I never said or even implied.  Again, go back and read my posts about Melo.

The Nuggs were a wreck early last year due to the Melo drama.  They received some good players for Melo and Chauncey (who ain't that great).  Oh and who was it that went to Boston and put up 42/17? 
12/19/2011 1:04 PM
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Posted by badja on 12/19/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
The Cavs were not that bad with Donyell, Z and Varejao.  The HGH Magic were all solid shooters.  What's more, look at the playoff teams in the West for Melo's career compared to the weak *** East.  Complete joke.

"herp herp derp, I'm badja and I think that there's not a huge difference between Melo's supporting cast and LeBron's!"

And if you weren't literate, you might have noticed but I didn't focus on the players at all, but rather how their teams did without them.  Melo had a sick, sick supporting cast, and replacing him with Gallinari and Chandler was sufficient for the Nugs to not miss a single ******* beat.

I recall Melo's *** getting swept vs Boston.  Of course he can post stats, but maybe the Knicks woulda won a few games if he tried on D.

12/19/2011 1:13 PM
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The point is that Melo has played in the most stacked Conference perhaps in NBA history.  First round series against SA, LA, Dallas, you get the point. 

LeBron is >>>>>>>>>better than Melo, but even his greatness has produced 0 rings and 2 embarrassments at the hand of the West.

Melo had some nice players, but no one great.  No way he was getting past LA or SA and not likely Bron could for a series either.

I get the feeling that Boston fans are a little more than worried about NY this year, so they might as well talk now.  Should be a fun season.
12/19/2011 1:16 PM
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Posted by deanod on 12/19/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by badja on 12/19/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
The Cavs were not that bad with Donyell, Z and Varejao.  The HGH Magic were all solid shooters.  What's more, look at the playoff teams in the West for Melo's career compared to the weak *** East.  Complete joke.

"herp herp derp, I'm badja and I think that there's not a huge difference between Melo's supporting cast and LeBron's!"

And if you weren't literate, you might have noticed but I didn't focus on the players at all, but rather how their teams did without them.  Melo had a sick, sick supporting cast, and replacing him with Gallinari and Chandler was sufficient for the Nugs to not miss a single ******* beat.

I recall Melo's *** getting swept vs Boston.  Of course he can post stats, but maybe the Knicks woulda won a few games if he tried on D.

Wow, we've entered troll territory.  Sad.
12/19/2011 1:17 PM
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PG is an issue for NY.....Boston fans are worried about being one year older, which makes them worry about everyone just a little bit more


right now, I'd still take Boston in a 7 game series over the Knicks
12/19/2011 1:19 PM
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Posted by badja on 12/19/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
The Cavs were not that bad with Donyell, Z and Varejao.  The HGH Magic were all solid shooters.  What's more, look at the playoff teams in the West for Melo's career compared to the weak *** East.  Complete joke.

The Cavs supporting cast was gawd-awful. Look at the draft picks and some of those over-the-hill stiffs they brought in.

I do wonder how LeBron's career would have went if Boozer didn't stab the Cavs in the back.
12/19/2011 1:37 PM
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