C/DH Types at 1B?? Topic

caesari
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So is the consensus here defense > offense?
12/20/2011 6:41 PM
jonas1102
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no
12/20/2011 8:00 PM
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Posted by rangerup on 12/20/2011 6:30:00 PM (view original):
I am more inclined to pay attention to defense over offense, but can understand how many go the other way.  Offense is easy to see the results in, it's one guys stats....AVG, OBP, home runs, etc.

Defense has many more moving parts...ratings, pitchers, ballpark, etc.  and is much harder to quantify. 
Actually, defense is much easier to quantify because it is ballpark independent.  Particularly for infielders.  Outfielders may get a few more or a few less chances due to ballpark dimensions.  But infielders should see pretty consistent results from season to season.  Any variation (assuming no change in ratings) would primarily be due to normal variance, i.e. not due to external influences.
12/20/2011 8:11 PM
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Posted by caesari on 12/20/2011 6:41:00 PM (view original):
So is the consensus here defense > offense?
No.  You can't play a team full of GG-SS types who hit .189 and expect to win.   But the same goes for a team full of DH-types that can't field a position.  Personally, I think D is undervalued by a lot of owners so that's a good thing for me.   The game is all about player acquisition and supply/demand.    If people aren't as interested in D as O, good for me.
12/21/2011 8:50 AM
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Sometimes I think its better to play one of those C/DH types in RF as opposed to 1b due to fewer chances. 
12/21/2011 9:31 AM
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I'm not prepared to say that just yet but there doesn't seem to be much to be gained by "over-rating" RF defense. 
12/21/2011 9:50 AM
tecwrg
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Would either (or both) of the defensive arm ratings be over-rated for a 1B?
12/21/2011 10:23 AM
MikeT23
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Are you asking me?     Are you asking for C/DH at 1B or 1B in RF or C/DH in RF?
12/21/2011 10:30 AM
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Anyway, as I see it, Range and Arm Strength are the determining factors for +/- plays while Glove and Arm Accuracy are the factors for errors.    Put a 4 range in RF and he'll get some negative plays(and his RF will be low) but he'll probably have a catcher-type arm so he might get some + plays.  He'll also make some errors because of his 30 glove but I bet most of us have used a 45 glove in RF.   I've been trying Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Hector Arias in RF.   Over 275 innings, he has 3 negative plays and 0 errors.   His range factor is 1.50 so it's pretty good for a RF.    He's not hurting me despite being below average in everything but glove(which is right on the minimum recs). 
12/21/2011 10:36 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/21/2011 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Are you asking me?     Are you asking for C/DH at 1B or 1B in RF or C/DH in RF?
Poorly worded question on my part.  Also, it's not just for you, but for discussion by anybody.

The recs for 1B are 40/40/40/40.  I see range and glove as the primary defensive ratings, and arm strength and accuracy as the secondary defensive ratings.  Especially for a first baseman.

So a catcher playing first might have ratings of 8/25/60/65 (for example), which means he's low in the two primary ratings and high in the two secondary ratings.  That, to me, is a bad defensive first baseman.

By what if it were the other way around?  What if your 1B had ratings like 53/48/27/31?  High on range and glove, low on arm.  Any concerns?  How much should the arm ratings be valued for a first baseman?

12/21/2011 10:47 AM
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IRT the original question, it depends on how deficient the range/glove ratings are.  If they're in the single digits, I'm probably not doing it.  If they're in the 20s, I have no issue sticking him at 1B if the offense justifies it.
12/21/2011 11:01 AM
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The best I can offer is this:

Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Charles Baek
Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Brian Mattingly

Similar career innings.   Baek is a average to weak 1B and Mattingly is a GG-candidate.    Errors are pretty similar on a per inning basis but Mattingly has a big advantage in +/- plays.  He also has a noticable advantage in assists.  Using my assists+plus-errors-negative/innings formula, its .068 to .054 "independent plays" per inning.    991 to 787 "positive" plays if both played every inning of every game in a season.   204 extra plays seems like a lot to me. 
12/21/2011 11:12 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/21/2011 9:50:00 AM (view original):
I'm not prepared to say that just yet but there doesn't seem to be much to be gained by "over-rating" RF defense. 
This interests me. I wonder which positions benefit the most from being overclocked so to on defense.
12/21/2011 11:14 AM
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Posted by topoftheworl on 12/21/2011 11:14:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/21/2011 9:50:00 AM (view original):
I'm not prepared to say that just yet but there doesn't seem to be much to be gained by "over-rating" RF defense. 
This interests me. I wonder which positions benefit the most from being overclocked so to on defense.

IMO, 2B and LF. 

12/21/2011 11:24 AM
tecwrg
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A SS arm in CF generates a ton of plus plays and GG's at the position.

Amos Taylor
12/21/2011 11:31 AM
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