current 10 year dynasty list, unweighted - 5/24/12 Topic

i have no idea how hard this is to do, maybe not too hard if you're good with db's, but this is cool nonetheless. 

awesome that i have #1 and #2 ten year dynasties by a lot with my only two d2 teams (well, i only have one now that i joined wooden d3).
5/26/2012 7:53 PM
it is indeed jonesy. ill be posting the all time team dynasty lists next, so will be interesting to see how you stack up. last time i ran them was pretty long ago, and although you were a great coach then, much of your success has come more recently. will be interesting to see if you or girt has managed to top rails and i in the 10 year d2 dynasty game.
5/26/2012 7:57 PM
hard... well, it wasn't that hard, evidenced by the fact that i basically only had the motivation to write this over the course of probably 5 different nights, mostly between 2-5AM, during all of which, i was completely hammered. by the next day, i wasn't even sure what id done. reading the teams in was slightly annoying but not difficult. the only part i really focused on was making sure the ranking algorithm was good. i would dare to claim my rankings are the most accurate of any done. tough to say because its so subjective but i put a ton of thought into making them accurate. it might sound easy, until you think, how do you compare OR's record setting run at UCONN (the only 3 straight NT titles in d1 history, 5 titles in 8 years), when d1 tark was very young, with the run clone made at iowa state two or three years later, in a very competitive and different world, when tons of teams were established? or one of the many runs made by lostmyth in different worlds?

the rankings still aren't perfect. for example, during rail's legendary 5 straight, 8 title in 9 year run, he was pulling down *incredible* players from d1, including 2 star players. however, it seemed like 10% of the population knew how to pull down. admin claimed it was impossible, and most people blindly believed what they said, assuming the game creator knew his own product better than anyone (bad assumption, in this case). his feat is still one of the greatest ever, there is no question about that, but the reality of the pulldown situation just makes it easier than in a more stable time, i think - how could i possibly factor that it? it would be so subjective i think. same goes with early in potential. it was a new game, and that is when I had my greatest success. i simply adapted faster than other coaches. while there is something to be said for adapting ahead of other coaches - its easier to have the success i did, when i did, than during a stable time in the game, when everyone is used to the new stuff. but how do i discount that? thats why ive put my disclaimer out a couple times, i think its still in the first post in my dynasty list index, claiming this list is not really meant to declare who the best coach is, or what the best run is, its more for entertainment purposes, but at the same time, by and large, they are pretty damn accurate in most cases. especially the current dynasty lists - everyone is competing in the same time, on those lists.

one final comment - i don't mean ANY of that to suggest i am not open to criticism or feedback on the lists. if you can find a ranking where the #8 team is less successful than #9, id love to hear the case for it. most people would say, if #10 is worse than #20, tell me. but i tried to refine these enough that if you really think you can make a convincing case for *ANY* two teams being out of order, i'd love to hear it. its very interesting to me, and trying to make these rankings very accurate, was by far the most fun part of the project.
5/26/2012 11:33 PM (edited)
Thanks for putting together.  Makes me feel better about my D3 team in Rupp despite the lack of a title.

I started using Al Blacks dynasty rankings* in D3 Rupp last season... done it 2 years in a row.  If there is an easier way to do it - besides looking at results and copying them to a spreadsheet, I'd love to hear it.... I'm no programer though...

*the Rupp D3 rankings are mildly different than Al Blacks in how scoring is handled in seasons that the team doesn't make the post season.
5/26/2012 8:29 PM
jonsey - looks like you hold the 5th place record for all time 10 year d2 dynasty. thats damn good, especially considering you also hold 12th with miles. nice job.
5/26/2012 8:31 PM
Posted by brianxavier on 5/26/2012 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Thanks for putting together.  Makes me feel better about my D3 team in Rupp despite the lack of a title.

I started using Al Blacks dynasty rankings* in D3 Rupp last season... done it 2 years in a row.  If there is an easier way to do it - besides looking at results and copying them to a spreadsheet, I'd love to hear it.... I'm no programer though...

*the Rupp D3 rankings are mildly different than Al Blacks in how scoring is handled in seasons that the team doesn't make the post season.
easier way to do what? grab the data?
5/26/2012 8:33 PM
yes, grabbing the data...  then converting it to points based on how far they advanced in the post season.  obviously you are doing something like that to crunch so many numbers.
5/26/2012 10:56 PM
Posted by brianxavier on 5/26/2012 10:56:00 PM (view original):
yes, grabbing the data...  then converting it to points based on how far they advanced in the post season.  obviously you are doing something like that to crunch so many numbers.
yeah, the first thing the tool does is download the entire history of every team in every world. i don't do any of that manually, i just run the program. then it goes through and ranks all the seasons, including a world strength factor (winning in a world with 200 humans is harder than 150, etc). finally the scores from each season are put together, and rankings are established.
5/26/2012 11:34 PM
Wow, thanks so much for doing these coach_billyg, it is much appreciated.

It's pretty cool to be able to compare yourself against other programs/coaches. #33 current 5 year dynasty and #47 on the 10 year list. Nice ego boost for the day ;)
5/26/2012 11:34 PM
what is the strength of each world based on division if it's not too much work for you to look up
5/26/2012 11:46 PM
I'd like to add my thanks to coach billyg for doing this! 
5/26/2012 11:47 PM
Posted by coach_billyg on 5/26/2012 11:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by brianxavier on 5/26/2012 10:56:00 PM (view original):
yes, grabbing the data...  then converting it to points based on how far they advanced in the post season.  obviously you are doing something like that to crunch so many numbers.
yeah, the first thing the tool does is download the entire history of every team in every world. i don't do any of that manually, i just run the program. then it goes through and ranks all the seasons, including a world strength factor (winning in a world with 200 humans is harder than 150, etc). finally the scores from each season are put together, and rankings are established.
Is there a way to do this with Excel?  I am guessing it is way beyond my know-how... but I know I have a program that grabs information about my whole team and players that someone made and posted on the forum. 

Obviously it would be better to have a program do this... I know I made some errors on the first list that I caught in the next season.  It wouldn't surprise me if there are other errors on the other list...

just playing around with the "import data from web" I see some easy ways to copy the information (such as current RPI list, my roster, the recruiting summary page, etc...)

I'm not offended in the least if you'd just inform me I am out of luck.... happy to continue doing it the old fashioned way for now.


5/26/2012 11:58 PM
Posted by coach_billyg on 5/26/2012 8:31:00 PM (view original):
jonsey - looks like you hold the 5th place record for all time 10 year d2 dynasty. thats damn good, especially considering you also hold 12th with miles. nice job.
sweet. i like when other people put effort into stuff like this, makes everything that much cooler.
5/27/2012 2:17 AM
great stuff as always...
5/27/2012 4:09 AM
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5/29/2012 12:07 AM
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