Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 9:01:00 PM (view original):
I understand what projections means mike thank you. I also understand that these are not real people, and they must have a number alocated for their maximum potential in any given attribute, and because this is a computer game i am assuming that $20mil in advanced scouting will buy you that number. Now the coaching and playoffs and injury can only retard the potential growth but that original maximum alocated number was true blue and thats how i see it. do you have imformation that can dispute that?

The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen.  $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there.

The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen. $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there..........this is good stuff let me see the carfax.....really though is their a source?

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 9:31:00 PM (view original):
My oringinal point within my world (Evangeline League) went unheard wich was this: Owners within my league who have $0 alocated for advance scouting complain the most about cash involved in trades to balance trades out. My guess is that its because they can't see true overall numbers so each trade is virtually blind to them. by complaining all the time the world is virtually teetering on adding a rule that prohibits using cash in most trade situations, and the practice of purchasing prospects for cash well ssshhh thats taboo, although most of the league spends all their extra cash they save in adv scouting on prospects. wich is yeah buying players.......... I don't care that most of the league has abandoned adv scouting to use their algarythym, i just want to be able to use my own strategy to my own strenghts without having portions of the game closed off to me. not by whatifsports, but by the consensus majority advanced scouting deserters. 

"i just want to be able to use my own strategy to my own strenghts".

Unfortunately for you, this is a social game, and you don't play in a vacuum.  If you play in a private would, you are agreeing to abide by the rules of the world which are either established by the commissioner, or by general consensus of the 32 owners.  

If you are not willing to do that, you do have other options;  you can either join another private world that has a philosophy more aligned to how you want to play, or you can join a public world in which there are no rules other than the very loose WIS fair-play guidelines.

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen. $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there..........this is good stuff let me see the carfax.....really though is their a source?

That is the general understanding of those of us who have been here since the early days of HBD, based on nearly 6 years of real-life experience in playing the game.

If that's not good enough for you, or you think we are lying or making this up to jerk you around, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you need a source . . .  you've got the HBD forums and the dev chats, which both go back for a number of years.  Happy researching.

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 10:10:00 PM (view original):
MikeT23 do you work for whatifsports ? deveolper? programmer?........if this is the post you are refering to me being a smartass, those are legetimate questions..ive seen his name b4 and was inquiring.....I wouldn't hurt your boyfreinds feelings iain..lol...thats me being a smartass.

You're not worth wasting time on, as you're clearly not interested in learning from people who know what they're talking about, you just want to find someone who will back you up in your little spat in your world chat.

If I were fairly inexperienced, and a number of veteran HBD players were all telling me basically the same thing about a particular part of the game, I might tend to believe it rather that take an "OH YEAH???  SHOW ME!!!" attitude.

HBD developer chats and forum discussions.  Happy researching.

Oh, and the "Evangeline" WC is highly entertaining.

Has been for a while... remember draft pick trading??

Seriously. This guy has to be performing some elaborate social experiment where he acts like a complete jackwagon just to see what happens. Seriously. Hundreds of combined seasons of experience, research, trial and error of playing the game, combined with words cited directly from WifS developer chats....and somehow that's still not enough. Hilarious, and unbelievable. The level of idiocy of some people never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2012 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen. $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there..........this is good stuff let me see the carfax.....really though is their a source?

That is the general understanding of those of us who have been here since the early days of HBD, based on nearly 6 years of real-life experience in playing the game.

If that's not good enough for you, or you think we are lying or making this up to jerk you around, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you need a source . . .  you've got the HBD forums and the dev chats, which both go back for a number of years.  Happy researching.

You could even be your own source.
Since you believe that 20 Mill Advanced = 100% Accurate projections, I have to make the assumption that you have 20 Mill in Advanced Scouting... anything else would be silly, if you actually believed that.
SO, the next time your world rolls over, record all of your less-than 27 year old players projections.  Then, once your budgets are set the next season, go check those projections against their NEW projections (with, still, 20 Mill Advanced Scouting).  When you find out that they are not the same, you will have a question to answer for yourself:

Were my 100% accurate projections 100% accurate LAST season, or are they 100% accurate THIS season?

Posted by iain on 5/30/2012 10:54:00 PM (view original):
Has been for a while... remember draft pick trading??

Evangeline stuck in my mind about something, but I couldn't quite place it.  Yeah, the draft pick trading.

Posted by kcden on 5/30/2012 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2012 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen. $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there..........this is good stuff let me see the carfax.....really though is their a source?

That is the general understanding of those of us who have been here since the early days of HBD, based on nearly 6 years of real-life experience in playing the game.

If that's not good enough for you, or you think we are lying or making this up to jerk you around, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you need a source . . .  you've got the HBD forums and the dev chats, which both go back for a number of years.  Happy researching.

You could even be your own source.
Since you believe that 20 Mill Advanced = 100% Accurate projections, I have to make the assumption that you have 20 Mill in Advanced Scouting... anything else would be silly, if you actually believed that.
SO, the next time your world rolls over, record all of your less-than 27 year old players projections.  Then, once your budgets are set the next season, go check those projections against their NEW projections (with, still, 20 Mill Advanced Scouting).  When you find out that they are not the same, you will have a question to answer for yourself:

Were my 100% accurate projections 100% accurate LAST season, or are they 100% accurate THIS season?

To be fair . . . I've never seen projections change if I kept my ADV budget the same from one season to the next for players younger than 27.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2012 11:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcden on 5/30/2012 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2012 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen. $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there..........this is good stuff let me see the carfax.....really though is their a source?

That is the general understanding of those of us who have been here since the early days of HBD, based on nearly 6 years of real-life experience in playing the game.

If that's not good enough for you, or you think we are lying or making this up to jerk you around, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you need a source . . .  you've got the HBD forums and the dev chats, which both go back for a number of years.  Happy researching.

You could even be your own source.
Since you believe that 20 Mill Advanced = 100% Accurate projections, I have to make the assumption that you have 20 Mill in Advanced Scouting... anything else would be silly, if you actually believed that.
SO, the next time your world rolls over, record all of your less-than 27 year old players projections.  Then, once your budgets are set the next season, go check those projections against their NEW projections (with, still, 20 Mill Advanced Scouting).  When you find out that they are not the same, you will have a question to answer for yourself:

Were my 100% accurate projections 100% accurate LAST season, or are they 100% accurate THIS season?

To be fair . . . I've never seen projections change if I kept my ADV budget the same from one season to the next for players younger than 27.

I'm pretty certain I have, but it's been a number of seasons in all of my worlds that I've been at 0 ADV. 
I THINK that I distinctly remember thinking it odd that, even at 20 mill, there was a variance in at least some projections.
Guess I will check my players at next rollover.  If what you say is true, even at 0 ADV, I shouldn't see a change.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2012 11:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcden on 5/30/2012 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/30/2012 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2U23L on 5/30/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
The general understanding is that each player has a "true" projection for all his ratings, but it can never be seen. $20m advanced scouting gets you close, but not 100% there..........this is good stuff let me see the carfax.....really though is their a source?

That is the general understanding of those of us who have been here since the early days of HBD, based on nearly 6 years of real-life experience in playing the game.

If that's not good enough for you, or you think we are lying or making this up to jerk you around, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you need a source . . .  you've got the HBD forums and the dev chats, which both go back for a number of years.  Happy researching.

You could even be your own source.
Since you believe that 20 Mill Advanced = 100% Accurate projections, I have to make the assumption that you have 20 Mill in Advanced Scouting... anything else would be silly, if you actually believed that.
SO, the next time your world rolls over, record all of your less-than 27 year old players projections.  Then, once your budgets are set the next season, go check those projections against their NEW projections (with, still, 20 Mill Advanced Scouting).  When you find out that they are not the same, you will have a question to answer for yourself:

Were my 100% accurate projections 100% accurate LAST season, or are they 100% accurate THIS season?

To be fair . . . I've never seen projections change if I kept my ADV budget the same from one season to the next for players younger than 27.

They absolutely change. I tracked it across three seasons and have the result in a spreadsheet from one of my early worlds. I'll have to see if I can dig it up, but if you take an individual's word for it, they do change.