Man, where you messed up was signing Picasso to play 2B at almost a $15M average for the next 4 years.

Picasso

He's too dang expensive.  He's a great glove, 21 plus plays last year and a 3-time GG winner in CF before that......

But I think I would play Vega in CF and Simon at 2B.  Probably not an option right now...as you can't trade Picasso's salary.

But I would certainly trade to get Simon, if I could. And then I would stick him at 2B for the next 8 years.

An .800-.850 OPS 2B in Safeco is a heck of a thing to have.

But, I don't think you can get two top prospects for him, from most teams.  The right partner, who is ready to bust over the top, might make such a deal.....if one of them is an arm.

Yeah. I kind of over paid for Picasso. I lead on him throughout at a much more reasonable price.. The other options I had signed elsewhere and then I got bid up on Picasso. I knew my team needed the extra player to win the WS (which it did). But now I have this salary to maybe live with. I'm going to waive him this season to see if anyone will claim him.  His stats are pretty solid especially for Safeco. But yes he is way overpaid.

Simon ws my 2B proir to Picasso joiniing. With Simon at 2B i needed a 3B. There wasnt a decent one that fit my needs so I signed Picasso.

Hey,

If you won a WS after signing PIcasso then you got your money's worth.  Way to go.  Wish I made moves like that. 

I traded two future #2/3 starter types, both nice, and a future .400 OBP/27 HR 1B-guy for a inning eating 24-year old #2 starter (Footsie) and one year of a mashing 1B/RF (Merv)  because I thought it might move me into a WS position.  I'm now 40-33, having lost 12 of my last 17.  It doesn't seem to be working.  I admire your successful move.

What is your biggest weakness?  Fix that with Simon.  You have great starters in Rosales (WOW), Xavier (WOW), Ramsey, Estella and  Mondesi.  So you aren't weak there.  (is the Tandem deal with Rosales and Xavier only for ST?)

Handworth throws tons of valuable innings out of the pen.

So you have no real weakness there.  But it doesn't look like you have any young aces coming up.  I'll bet you can get a great young starter for him, and another usable piece, too.  Maybe a very nice current BP guy.

But Cedeno is a great offensive threat,but not a defender at C.  I play a .307-.385-.480 hitting catcher, with a PC of 51, so I understand all about offense at that position. Clayton

But you can move Cedeno to DH, as Brooks is done-done after this year.  There you go, then.  Trade Simon for a young ace, AAA maybe--a Top 10 type, and a great defensive catcher with some bat.  I'll bet you can get that, easily.

moe

Posted by deanod on 6/18/2012 3:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rangerup on 6/17/2012 7:40:00 PM (view original):
This guy is a prime example of why OVR doesn't tell the whole story.

lol no he's not

I would differ, I see his ratings equal to many guys with an OVR of 80 or thereabouts.  88 is a bit high for what he would give you.  IME, 85 or higher OVR should give you a franchise type player.  He is a damn good player no doubt but one in which you are best served trying to trade him for two other guys with OVR's of about 77-82 which will make your team better.

Simon with his 88 OA will prolly be looking for closer to 12-13 mill per season.  Which is on the high side in my opinion for a guy that isnt a franchise player.  He is a 5 tool player, but none of the tools are blow you away quality.  And for 12-13 Id want a little more blow away, at least in 1 of those tools.  If I had a real hole at 3B and was that close to feeling like I was a real contender Id trade for him though.

That dude can easily play 2B.

See: George Fultz

51+ to 2- plays at 2B over the past 5 seasons.

It's not about where you play him, but where someone else would play.  Someone looking for instant production up the middle should certainly be willing to give up a top prospect for an .850 OPS, above average fielding 2B. 

No question in my mind.

EDIT: Didn't realize that Simon has already proven he can be a high-end defensive 2B.  So there you go.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/17/2012 8:42:00 AM (view original):
It's not what you think.  He's a 3B that should be a top 30 hitter in most worlds.   You might get 1 top 10 draftee from someone in desperate need of production from 3B(or who's willing to take his D at SS) but not 2.   I wouldn't give you that much.   Maybe a top 20 pick but I'm not big on trading a guy that I can get 11 seasons of production from for a guy that will give me 4.

4 expensive years too

Posted by shobob on 6/19/2012 1:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/17/2012 8:42:00 AM (view original):
It's not what you think.  He's a 3B that should be a top 30 hitter in most worlds.   You might get 1 top 10 draftee from someone in desperate need of production from 3B(or who's willing to take his D at SS) but not 2.   I wouldn't give you that much.   Maybe a top 20 pick but I'm not big on trading a guy that I can get 11 seasons of production from for a guy that will give me 4.

4 expensive years too

That being said, I'd trade a stud prospect and a supplemental/2nd round pick type talent to get him on my team if it was at or near a playoff drive.

That's the other thing about trade value.  It's fluid.

I'm 92-60 and 1 game up.   My 3B goes down for 45 days.   That top 10 pick I said I wouldn't trade is suddenly on the table. 

Posted by greeny9 on 6/19/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Simon with his 88 OA will prolly be looking for closer to 12-13 mill per season.  Which is on the high side in my opinion for a guy that isnt a franchise player.  He is a 5 tool player, but none of the tools are blow you away quality.  And for 12-13 Id want a little more blow away, at least in 1 of those tools.  If I had a real hole at 3B and was that close to feeling like I was a real contender Id trade for him though.

 

at age 31/32 I doubt he will demand that much.

  It still all comes down to what the other 31 owners in your league are willing to give you for him. Even in this thread there have been differences of opinion on what he is worth. I have a young player in his second pro season who is not even on the trade block that a few owners have contacted me about. Of course each of those owners wants to offer me a player in their 30's who makes 7 mil a season and who is in the last season of their contract.

  That means that right now in that world that is all the player is worth because that is all I have been offered.

Well, to you they are.   Everyone overvalues their guy.