Posted by ike1024 on 6/26/2012 5:13:00 PM (view original):
Maybe it's just my guys and the guys I play against.

Mr 1 blk, Scott Cadet, also had 1 reb.  He averaged 2.0 rpg for his career, at 20 mpg. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Default.aspx?pid=1927806

Then there's my current "SF," Corey Richards, who is averaging 3.7 rpg in 28 mpg, with a 26 reb.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=3795&pid=2090332

Even at 2.0 rpg, that seems high for a guy with 1 reb.  But maybe it's an anomaly with my guys.

Between your teams .470 and you opponents .400, there are allot of rebounds floating out there to grab ...

Posted by blackdog3377 on 6/27/2012 2:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 6/26/2012 7:13:00 PM (view original):
Are SFs and SGs really distinguishable based on what they do on the court as a result of the position itself?

Most SFs are longer than SGs, so they end up playing inside as a result of their low post offense or defense.  But I don't know that there is really a huge difference between SG and SF based solely on position.

I think in RL a SF has much more responsibility to crash the defensive glass than a SG. Someone playing SG will normally have much more freedom to leak out to create a fast break situation. Also normally a coach will play someone at each position that is better suited to their task so the better rebounder will be playing SF most of the time.

But that's not a product of position, it's a product of who is playing that position.  Yes, better rebounders typically play SF, but what about when they don't?

Same with a SG leaking out.  That's a product of who that player is guarding, not what position they are playing.  Are the two intertwined?  In real life, sure.  But we have the ability to separate them, and allow a PG or SG with no reb to play SF.  I don't know that a SF forward crashes the boards BECAUSE he's a SF so much as it's a productive of him having a rebounding instinct, which, in these cases, the players don't have.

Posted by a_in_the_b on 6/27/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ike1024 on 6/26/2012 5:13:00 PM (view original):
Maybe it's just my guys and the guys I play against.

Mr 1 blk, Scott Cadet, also had 1 reb.  He averaged 2.0 rpg for his career, at 20 mpg. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Default.aspx?pid=1927806

Then there's my current "SF," Corey Richards, who is averaging 3.7 rpg in 28 mpg, with a 26 reb.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=3795&pid=2090332

Even at 2.0 rpg, that seems high for a guy with 1 reb.  But maybe it's an anomaly with my guys.

Between your teams .470 and you opponents .400, there are allot of rebounds floating out there to grab ...

That's a good point, although I have noticed it a couple of times against me (not necessarily with the Hamline team), too.

But yes, that certainly plays a role.

Posted by killbatman on 6/27/2012 10:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ike1024 on 6/26/2012 6:41:00 PM (view original):
I don't believe def or spd plays a role in rebounding.

From the last developer chat: 

Other than REB, ATH and IQ, what goes into the equation of who gets a REBOUND? (Trentonjoe - Hall of Famer - 3:01 PM)

That's essentially it, other than things like fatigue and health.

 

Good to know, not sure where I got that idea from.  I guess I was only thinking it was a small effect anyway.

Another point about the Reb totals is these guys aren't in a vacuum.  If you have multiple 90+ Reb bigs, there's probably fewer boards to go around for your SF and guards.  Then there's tempo, which defense you run, SOS, etc.  It's tough to isolate any one thing in this game.

Richards is still averaging more than I'd expect.  Another SG I have playing SF right now has similar Ath and Reb to Richards (granted much worse IQ as a FR), but he's averaging 1.6 rpg.

Certainly true, kb.  It's just something I noticed (SF get more than SG, despite similar or worse reb) and was throwing it out there to see if anyone else has seen the same thing.

Apparently I'm the only one.

Posted by ike1024 on 6/27/2012 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by blackdog3377 on 6/27/2012 2:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 6/26/2012 7:13:00 PM (view original):
Are SFs and SGs really distinguishable based on what they do on the court as a result of the position itself?

Most SFs are longer than SGs, so they end up playing inside as a result of their low post offense or defense.  But I don't know that there is really a huge difference between SG and SF based solely on position.

I think in RL a SF has much more responsibility to crash the defensive glass than a SG. Someone playing SG will normally have much more freedom to leak out to create a fast break situation. Also normally a coach will play someone at each position that is better suited to their task so the better rebounder will be playing SF most of the time.

But that's not a product of position, it's a product of who is playing that position.  Yes, better rebounders typically play SF, but what about when they don't?

Same with a SG leaking out.  That's a product of who that player is guarding, not what position they are playing.  Are the two intertwined?  In real life, sure.  But we have the ability to separate them, and allow a PG or SG with no reb to play SF.  I don't know that a SF forward crashes the boards BECAUSE he's a SF so much as it's a productive of him having a rebounding instinct, which, in these cases, the players don't have.

Well somebody on the team has to go help the bigs clean the defensive glass and its normally the wing because they are guarding the player who is more likely the crash the offensive glass. A lot of times a SG offensively will be closer to the top of 3 point and thus will have more responsibility to get back defensively after a shot to make sure the other team doesn't get a fast break after a rebound. A SF on offense is more likely to be on the wing and therefore will normally have more freedom to attack the offensive glass. This means the guy guarding the SF has more of a responsibility to get on the boards and makes sure his guy doesn't get any offensive rebounds

Posted by ike1024 on 6/26/2012 9:57:00 AM (view original):
Does it seem like you can just plug in anyone, including guys with no reb, at SF and they will automatiocally grab 3 rpg?

If how rebounding is determined is done so with an emphasis on position over actual reb, I think that needs to be addressed.

Don't forget that ATH and IQ play a role as well.

Here are a few guys that I have on my teams (I value reb in my sfs).

Alonzo Payne (3.6 rpg)
46 ATH
61 REB
A-/A IQ

Soloman Delossantos (8.4 rpg) - starts at PF, plays some SF.
25 ATH
97 REB
A-/A- IQ

Lester Chambers (4.7 rpg)
64 ATH
74 REB
A-/A IA