Posted by jack_duck on 6/29/2012 1:04:00 PM (view original):
what does "high-minus" mean?

I call the "Sky's the limit" stuff high plus and the regular high scouting report stuff high minuses.  Just helps me differentiate them when I'm making my recruit spreadsheets.

I don't know why anyone's giving the advice to ignore the DII player pool for DII recruits, but it's terrible advice in my experience (and I've had most of my success at DII).

I always recruit low D1 and throughout DII, pick players to target overall from both pools and go for the players (preferably within 300 mi.). My Longwood team in Iba is filled with guys in the DII pool that weren't even rated that highly, but had a ton of potential (Arthur Brown was one - he was an ineligible found in the DII Pool with low overall ratings - started around 470 OVR I believe.) Patterson, my 2nd best player, was a D1 pulldown - so using both methods and being flexible is the best way to recruit. 

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2028666

Posted by bbunch on 6/29/2012 3:30:00 PM (view original):
I don't know why anyone's giving the advice to ignore the DII player pool for DII recruits, but it's terrible advice in my experience (and I've had most of my success at DII).

I always recruit low D1 and throughout DII, pick players to target overall from both pools and go for the players (preferably within 300 mi.). My Longwood team in Iba is filled with guys in the DII pool that weren't even rated that highly, but had a ton of potential (Arthur Brown was one - he was an ineligible found in the DII Pool with low overall ratings - started around 470 OVR I believe.) Patterson, my 2nd best player, was a D1 pulldown - so using both methods and being flexible is the best way to recruit. 

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2028666

I agree with bbunch. Plus he's one of the best in the best d2 world, IBA.

Granted this is at d3, but my experience is you can find some guys at d3 who are just as good as the pulldown guys in the long runm who are also MUCH cheaper, that give you a better chance of landing the real pulldown gems because of the money you save..

I've got a pretty successful D2 program in Iba, and the 2nd and 3rd recruits you signed, the 2 bigs, would be welcomed additions to my team, assuming you got the potentials right, which I'm not convinced you did.  From your definition of how you say what is high+ I can't tell if you actually know what the high-highs are.  You need to make sure you find the list of high-high potentials and just regular high potentials.  Most are obvious, but not all are.

As for only doing D1 pulldowns at D2: that is ignorant and stupid, but it also depends on what your team's prestige is.  Some of my best players at D2 were D2 recruits who started out low, but had a ton of potential and the time to grow, but I'm at A+ prestige and a lot of the players I see as D2 recruits are D1 recruits for most D2 schools when recruiting starts.  That said, I signed a big that was a D2 recruit from the start of recruiting for me when my prestige was A- that turned into a beast.  Anyone in D2 Iba remember Jeffrey Mayes?

Here are Mayes' ratings as a D2 player when I signed him, with an overall ranting of 491:
FT % - 57.1% (high)
A - 68 (low)
SPD - 19 (ave)
REB - 53 (high-high)
DE - 49 (high-high)
BLK - 40 (ave)
LP - 66 (high-high)
PE - 1 (low)
BH - 22 (ave)
P - 30 (ave)
WE - 43
ST - 45 (high-high)
DUR - 55 (ave)

And here he is at the end of his career, with an overall rating of 729:
FT % - C (I translate that to 75%)
A - 72
SPD - 32
REB - 97
DE - 92
BLK - 47
LP - 97
PE - 1
BH - 27
P - 37
WE - 68
ST - 92
DUR - 67

He was a 1st team All American his SR season (and I unfortunately didn't redshirt him...stupid me).  That season he was a key player on a Final Four team.

The moral to this story: sign the best players you can find, regardless of if they start out as D1 or D2 recruits.

agree with everyone saying that it's dumb to avoid the D2 player pool.  been a critical part of recruiting for my D2 teams, which have generally been my most successful as well.

Posted by mduncanhogs on 6/30/2012 8:43:00 PM (view original):
I've got a pretty successful D2 program in Iba, and the 2nd and 3rd recruits you signed, the 2 bigs, would be welcomed additions to my team, assuming you got the potentials right, which I'm not convinced you did.  From your definition of how you say what is high+ I can't tell if you actually know what the high-highs are.  You need to make sure you find the list of high-high potentials and just regular high potentials.  Most are obvious, but not all are.

As for only doing D1 pulldowns at D2: that is ignorant and stupid, but it also depends on what your team's prestige is.  Some of my best players at D2 were D2 recruits who started out low, but had a ton of potential and the time to grow, but I'm at A+ prestige and a lot of the players I see as D2 recruits are D1 recruits for most D2 schools when recruiting starts.  That said, I signed a big that was a D2 recruit from the start of recruiting for me when my prestige was A- that turned into a beast.  Anyone in D2 Iba remember Jeffrey Mayes?

Here are Mayes' ratings as a D2 player when I signed him, with an overall ranting of 491:
FT % - 57.1% (high)
A - 68 (low)
SPD - 19 (ave)
REB - 53 (high-high)
DE - 49 (high-high)
BLK - 40 (ave)
LP - 66 (high-high)
PE - 1 (low)
BH - 22 (ave)
P - 30 (ave)
WE - 43
ST - 45 (high-high)
DUR - 55 (ave)

And here he is at the end of his career, with an overall rating of 729:
FT % - C (I translate that to 75%)
A - 72
SPD - 32
REB - 97
DE - 92
BLK - 47
LP - 97
PE - 1
BH - 27
P - 37
WE - 68
ST - 92
DUR - 67

He was a 1st team All American his SR season (and I unfortunately didn't redshirt him...stupid me).  That season he was a key player on a Final Four team.

The moral to this story: sign the best players you can find, regardless of if they start out as D1 or D2 recruits.

I used DACJ501's google document thing.  I just call the two highs high-high and low high rather than high and high - high.