Norbert, please hurry. Topic

Posted by grindi on 7/10/2012 3:03:00 PM (view original):
Sorry but formation IQ does not yet over trump talent.  It isn't as big of a deal as you guys are making out.  It is being designed to but isn't there yet.  I recently took teams deep into the POs with NO Formation practice.  Could they have won it all if they had practiced?  I doubt it as the other teams I had did practice formations and got the same kind of results.

But Bhouska,  Most of these guys on here will find some reason it was YOUR fault and not the screwed up game.  According to them your just another guy that has no clue what he is doing.  Yatzrs is a good tool but it isn't the only way to do things.  It isn't like he is the dominating force in GD.  He does well and is a great guy But his stuff is just tools.  Bhouska, you just may be one of the teams figured in to the upset bug.  The game has to have its 10% daily upsets, (JContes own words) and you qualified and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
Grindi is right.  FIQ does not trump talent.  It can and does play a factor.  I'm not convinced that that there is an "upset bug" but it certainly sounds like one of those days when the rolls of the dice all end up on the small end of the probability curve.  
7/10/2012 7:09 PM
yup. 1996    # 6 tennessee vs un ranked memphis...  youtube it.  memphis 21-tennessee 17.   no manning ever beat lil oh memphis :)  the dice was in our favor. and well deangelo williams helped too in the 2004 era lol.
7/10/2012 7:17 PM
www.youtube.com/watch    the sim gods smiled on memphis that day , i say sim cause Rip Shear was like a sim ai recruiter here
7/10/2012 7:27 PM (edited)
I agree 100% that formation IQ DOES NOT trump talent. That said, formation IQ is easily important enough to take into consideration IMHO. I guess what I'm saying is if I had 2 DT that were at the same level as far as talent I would start the one with the better form. IQ. On the other hand, if 1 DT had a 25% advantage in talent and the other had a 25% advantage in form. IQ I would start the one with more talent. BUT...if 1 had a 5% advantage in talent and the other a 25% advantage in form IQ I would start the one with the higher IQ. Have I confused everyone enough yet? (LOL)
7/10/2012 9:36 PM
so, if I have a quarter and a nickel, I should give you and dime and then I'd still have 4 nickels?  wait, what?????  LOL
7/10/2012 9:49 PM
So, you WIS/Formation IQ apologists are saying this RB:  http://whatifsports.com/gd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?pid=7076763  should've been able to run 11 times for 57 yards (5.2 avg.) against us???  Because of his 27 Formation IQ rating???  Bull$hit!!!



7/10/2012 9:57 PM
Posted by memphisblue on 7/10/2012 7:17:00 PM (view original):
yup. 1996    # 6 tennessee vs un ranked memphis...  youtube it.  memphis 21-tennessee 17.   no manning ever beat lil oh memphis :)  the dice was in our favor. and well deangelo williams helped too in the 2004 era lol.
I like the Appalachian State and University of Toledos' Upsets of Michigan myself.  Yes upsets do happen but JConte said we were getting too many and he was adjusting down to 10%.  I didn't make the number up.  If there are to be 10% upsets then the engine has to set some parameters as to what constitutes an upset.  It then has to act on those parameters.  Since Conte said he was adjusting it then it exists.  I don't think randomness alone can explain some of the ridiculous things that have happened.
7/10/2012 9:59 PM
Posted by coach_deen on 7/10/2012 9:36:00 PM (view original):
I agree 100% that formation IQ DOES NOT trump talent. That said, formation IQ is easily important enough to take into consideration IMHO. I guess what I'm saying is if I had 2 DT that were at the same level as far as talent I would start the one with the better form. IQ. On the other hand, if 1 DT had a 25% advantage in talent and the other had a 25% advantage in form. IQ I would start the one with more talent. BUT...if 1 had a 5% advantage in talent and the other a 25% advantage in form IQ I would start the one with the higher IQ. Have I confused everyone enough yet? (LOL)
Although I am no expert at DIA, I believe that FIQ means a lot more there than anywhere else.  I've played with and without it at DII, and DIAA and see no discernable differences.
7/10/2012 10:02 PM
Brad, you have every right to be upset. There isn't a Formation IQ differential in the world that should have allowed them to run on you like that.
7/10/2012 10:50 PM
But what do you and your 28 National Championships know anyway?
7/10/2012 10:52 PM
LOL, thanks Doug.
7/10/2012 10:59 PM
I understand the frustration with such outcomes, Brad, and I agree with your larger point - that the update/fix can't come soon enough. But I actually DON'T want him to hurry. That was a huge part of the problem with the previous update to GD 2.0... it was delayed and delayed and finally rushed out to appease the peasants, who were at the gates with pitchforks, torches and foaming mouths.

Instead, I'd rather the release slip and slip and slip (if absolutely necessary), to be CERTAIN that when it was released, that it was done right.  No Wishbone offenses throwing for 1400 yards in a game. No team with 3 DL on its roster beating the 19-time (or something like that?) defending D-III NC team, whose RBs could start on most NC-contending D-II teams. Etc, etc, etc.

I am just as impatiently awaiting the update as anyone else, but the last thing that needs to happen is for norbert to get any "Hurry" in him.
7/11/2012 12:31 PM
Posted by gt_deuce on 7/11/2012 12:31:00 PM (view original):
I understand the frustration with such outcomes, Brad, and I agree with your larger point - that the update/fix can't come soon enough. But I actually DON'T want him to hurry. That was a huge part of the problem with the previous update to GD 2.0... it was delayed and delayed and finally rushed out to appease the peasants, who were at the gates with pitchforks, torches and foaming mouths.

Instead, I'd rather the release slip and slip and slip (if absolutely necessary), to be CERTAIN that when it was released, that it was done right.  No Wishbone offenses throwing for 1400 yards in a game. No team with 3 DL on its roster beating the 19-time (or something like that?) defending D-III NC team, whose RBs could start on most NC-contending D-II teams. Etc, etc, etc.

I am just as impatiently awaiting the update as anyone else, but the last thing that needs to happen is for norbert to get any "Hurry" in him.

   +1

7/11/2012 12:36 PM
Posted by gt_deuce on 7/11/2012 12:31:00 PM (view original):
I understand the frustration with such outcomes, Brad, and I agree with your larger point - that the update/fix can't come soon enough. But I actually DON'T want him to hurry. That was a huge part of the problem with the previous update to GD 2.0... it was delayed and delayed and finally rushed out to appease the peasants, who were at the gates with pitchforks, torches and foaming mouths.

Instead, I'd rather the release slip and slip and slip (if absolutely necessary), to be CERTAIN that when it was released, that it was done right.  No Wishbone offenses throwing for 1400 yards in a game. No team with 3 DL on its roster beating the 19-time (or something like that?) defending D-III NC team, whose RBs could start on most NC-contending D-II teams. Etc, etc, etc.

I am just as impatiently awaiting the update as anyone else, but the last thing that needs to happen is for norbert to get any "Hurry" in him.
Agree fully.

Waiting for the Beta world. Game needs to be right this time.
7/11/2012 12:46 PM
I want it done right too, but every time something like this happens I feel like I'm wasting money playing right now.
7/11/2012 2:40 PM
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