I don't think there's a team in college basketball that plays absolute, 100 percent pressure defense 40 minutes per game.  That just does not exist.  Inevitably over the course of any given game pressing teams end up picking up at half court or otherwise running something other than a full court press. 

Posted by disasteruss on 7/25/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 7/25/2012 1:53:00 PM (view original):
No team has ever run 40 minutes of FCP/trapping the way that HD's FCP is supposed to be run.  It's a totally ludicrous defense and you would need 10 players with staminas of "120" to even come close to pulling it off in real life.

On another note, I like how I now import HD ratings to real life players.  Andrew Goudelock is lights out.  He's like a 97 per.

Well, considering Arkansas and UAB both ran a defense called "40 minutes of hell", I would tend to disagree. It's not super common, but some teams do it. Bruce Pearl did it at UWM/Tennessee. VCU has done it. Alabama is trying to run something similar now. You just have to have a good amount of depth who are willing to run up and down the floor.

Anyway, as far as the FCP goes in HD, you see an inordinate amount of it for a couple of reasons. The biggest is that it seems like everyone basically dismisses the non FCP and M2M defenses. I'd say it's a pretty even split between those two.

Posted by isack24 on 7/25/2012 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by disasteruss on 7/25/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 7/25/2012 1:53:00 PM (view original):
No team has ever run 40 minutes of FCP/trapping the way that HD's FCP is supposed to be run.  It's a totally ludicrous defense and you would need 10 players with staminas of "120" to even come close to pulling it off in real life.

On another note, I like how I now import HD ratings to real life players.  Andrew Goudelock is lights out.  He's like a 97 per.

Well, considering Arkansas and UAB both ran a defense called "40 minutes of hell", I would tend to disagree. It's not super common, but some teams do it. Bruce Pearl did it at UWM/Tennessee. VCU has done it. Alabama is trying to run something similar now. You just have to have a good amount of depth who are willing to run up and down the floor.

Anyway, as far as the FCP goes in HD, you see an inordinate amount of it for a couple of reasons. The biggest is that it seems like everyone basically dismisses the non FCP and M2M defenses. I'd say it's a pretty even split between those two.

They can call it whatever they want, I watched those games, as I watched Pearl wt UT and UWM.  None of those teams pressed 100% of the time in the backcourt AND ran full-game-long double team traps in the frontcourt for 40 straight minutes.

And no, St. John's wasn't even close to doing that, either.

I don't care if a coach calls a defense "40 Minutes of Full Court Press that is Exactly Like They Play it in Hoops Dynasty", it matters what's happening on the court. And there's zero question that no DI team has ever run a press that really even resembles HD's version. The Nolan Richardson teams basically had a hard halfcourt press/trap and fell back into pressure man-to-man. It wasn't even close to the HD model of pressing all the time.

Posted by girt25 on 7/25/2012 5:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 7/25/2012 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by disasteruss on 7/25/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 7/25/2012 1:53:00 PM (view original):
No team has ever run 40 minutes of FCP/trapping the way that HD's FCP is supposed to be run.  It's a totally ludicrous defense and you would need 10 players with staminas of "120" to even come close to pulling it off in real life.

On another note, I like how I now import HD ratings to real life players.  Andrew Goudelock is lights out.  He's like a 97 per.

Well, considering Arkansas and UAB both ran a defense called "40 minutes of hell", I would tend to disagree. It's not super common, but some teams do it. Bruce Pearl did it at UWM/Tennessee. VCU has done it. Alabama is trying to run something similar now. You just have to have a good amount of depth who are willing to run up and down the floor.

Anyway, as far as the FCP goes in HD, you see an inordinate amount of it for a couple of reasons. The biggest is that it seems like everyone basically dismisses the non FCP and M2M defenses. I'd say it's a pretty even split between those two.

They can call it whatever they want, I watched those games, as I watched Pearl wt UT and UWM.  None of those teams pressed 100% of the time in the backcourt AND ran full-game-long double team traps in the frontcourt for 40 straight minutes.

And no, St. John's wasn't even close to doing that, either.

Exactly.

I don't care if a coach calls a defense "40 Minutes of Full Court Press that is Exactly Like They Play it in Hoops Dynasty", it matters what's happening on the court. And there's zero question that no DI team has ever run a press that really even resembles HD's version. The Nolan Richardson teams basically had a hard halfcourt press/trap and fell back into pressure man-to-man. It wasn't even close to the HD model of pressing all the time.

Posted by disasteruss on 7/26/2012 7:53:00 AM (view original):
Well, I mean if you want to look at it that way, no teams run a defense 100% of the time ever. Most teams mix zone and man, trap occasionally, and double teams randomly (not constantly). It's just a pointless argument to say "No team runs FCP exactly like HD", because no team does anything exactly like HD.

I was just pointing out that there are teams that are founded upon a pressing defense principle.

Posted by killbatman on 7/26/2012 11:46:00 AM (view original):
I'd have to agree that teams don't really run the HD Press in real life, although I'd love to see someone try.  I think you'd give up too many layups trying to trap constantly in the halfcourt.

I do see lots of teams playing multiple defenses regularly, though.  I can't really say whether that's "most" teams, I don't watch college basketball religiously or anything.  But I think it's pretty normal for teams to be proficient in both Zone and M2M (in addition to Press stuff and sometimes a matchup zone).  Lots of times teams will switch it up at the half, or randomly during the game to throw off the other team.  I think teams like Cuse that exclusively run their Zone are the exception.  Just based on what I've seen watching games.

Posted by colonels19 on 7/26/2012 11:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by killbatman on 7/26/2012 11:46:00 AM (view original):
I'd have to agree that teams don't really run the HD Press in real life, although I'd love to see someone try.  I think you'd give up too many layups trying to trap constantly in the halfcourt.

I do see lots of teams playing multiple defenses regularly, though.  I can't really say whether that's "most" teams, I don't watch college basketball religiously or anything.  But I think it's pretty normal for teams to be proficient in both Zone and M2M (in addition to Press stuff and sometimes a matchup zone).  Lots of times teams will switch it up at the half, or randomly during the game to throw off the other team.  I think teams like Cuse that exclusively run their Zone are the exception.  Just based on what I've seen watching games.

Thinking you'd be good for the username thread lol.