"Worst" team to ever win a championship? Topic

In season #30 in Smith Rutgers won the NC with a very average 24-11 team that managed to pull off 4 upsets at the right time.   I was in their conference at the time.  Again, not sure that would happen in today's engine.

Back in the day we called this coin flip dynasty, for good reason.
10/31/2013 10:47 AM
These stories are just fascinating! I wonder how many ism coached c'ships were won before the randomization was toned down.
10/31/2013 12:30 PM
Posted by mullycj on 10/31/2013 10:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by alblack56 on 10/31/2013 4:57:00 AM (view original):
Alex20457''s Drew team, season #28, was also set at +5 when he was banned. They finished the season at that setting
The previous season I lost to that team in the sweet 16 when my starting C went down with an injury 7 mins into the game.   He played +5 almost all year that season.

I'd say his championship team wasn't the "worst" team to win it, but maybe the worst coached team to win it.   Great roster that won despite his game planning.
Alex had quite a temper and would post before giving himself a chance to calm down. Losing a game would usually set him off.  I was at Delaware Valley in the same conference and I tried not to post anything that would fire him up. 

In the forums here, he posted a racist, homophobic, profanity-laced message that led to his banishment. When he was banned from Drew, I switched to that team. I was afraid  he'd reappear under a different name and reclaim his team. 
10/31/2013 1:26 PM
The "funny" part was the tirade was a direct attack on the guy who ran the site.   Not smart.
10/31/2013 1:51 PM
Posted by mullycj on 10/31/2013 10:48:00 AM (view original):
In season #30 in Smith Rutgers won the NC with a very average 24-11 team that managed to pull off 4 upsets at the right time.   I was in their conference at the time.  Again, not sure that would happen in today's engine.

Back in the day we called this coin flip dynasty, for good reason.
hmmm, not to bust your balls on a technicality, but i am pretty sure that term had nothing to do with what you are describing. im also pretty sure coin flip dynasty was coined after season 30 in smith. when OR coined the term "coin flip dynasty" it seemed clear to me that he was describing the ridiculous level of talent in d1, when potential was young (brand new actually) and players would gain +30 in multiple areas just in their freshman year. the game results were pretty decent at the time, as far as i remember, the problem was there were SO many great d1 teams that when you had a great team, it didnt really matter because there were 25 other teams who had 90s in everything, so it was basically a coin flip against all those teams. i dont recall it being that crappy teams went around beating all those great teams. i always hated that phrase anyway, because it seemed to me there was still plenty of room for crafting a better team than your opponents through smart composition. although i have to admit there wasn't much room to surpass other top teams through talent. come to think of it, its not that different than high d1 today - except instead of the top 10-15 teams, it was more. more like 25 or maybe even 40...

that was a pretty critical time for me, as that is basically when i won all my championships, and it was done with a far lesser talent advantage than rails, OR, and LM enjoyed in their great runs. i actually think it was a huge advantage for me, i almost certainly couldn't have pulled off one of the few top d1 and non d1 runs that early in my career, if it hadnt been for all the talent going around. my thing has always been a strong understanding of the sim engine, what makes players and teams great, and how to coach them to take advantage of their strengths, and to minimize their weaknesses. as a rookie d1 recruiter, winning 5/9 is essentially impossible today - you cant get near the talent level of others. but i was able to build as talented teams as other, vastly superior recruiters, because teams were so good in those days. in d1, anyway. and that let my MASSIVE disadvantage on the recruiting front (i wasnt even a top 25 recruiter - and i dont mean in HD. i mean in tark) get dwarfed, allowing my advantages in coaching and team composition to come through. thats the only way, IMO, that pulling off the 5 in 9 championship run was remotely possible for me, as such a young coach (4 lifetime d1 seasons before picking up colorado, 2 to rebuild, then the 5 in 9 hit - had 5 d1 titles in my first 15 seasons).

on the other hand, my top teams were so consistent in performance, i really cant get on board with the concept that the engine was a crap shoot in those days. i'd be by a huge margin, the luckiest coach of all time. my 2 main teams (had a less serious d3 team) go 5 of 9 and 5 of 7 in the same period? while setting the all time consecutive final 4 and elite 8 streaks with my d2 program (not just for d2, but for all of HD)? thats just not possible if the engine is a crap shoot, unless i essentially won the power ball. if i had hundreds and hundreds of seasons, that would be one thing - but this was pretty much inside of 2 years of my coaching career, i had only the 1 d1 account, and i still was on my first d2 program of my career (i had played like 4 seasons as a test at some point, at some other d2 school in tark, not sure if it was during or after, but still). thats too small of a sample size to get that lucky, i feel pretty strongly that the engine was pretty quality at that point in time. that wasn't long after OR's legendary uconn/west conn st runs and rails's legendary west chester pa run - those happened right as i was starting, and are precisely what gave me confidence that the engine had to be way more consistent than i initially assumed, and set me off on the quest to figure out how one could win so ridiculously consistently...

 
10/31/2013 2:56 PM (edited)
Posted by wildcat98 on 10/30/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
I know "worst" is a relative term, and that records don't always indicate quality, but I thought it might be interesting to know what the worst records to win a championship at each of the 3 levels are. I can't imagine that any champions have ever had an actual LOSING record, have they? That would require entering the conference tournament at 7-19, or 8-18 with a bye, and I can't imagine that any teams THAT bad even won a 1st round NT game.
Is it just me, or did wildcat go from verge of retirement to the most active topic started in HD in about a week?
10/31/2013 2:54 PM
Oh man, I had totally forgotten about Alex until I read this topic. I used to get into with him in the forums a lot. He would not listen to reason whatsoever. I was so happy the day he went off the deep end and got banned.
10/31/2013 5:28 PM
Posted by jetwildcat on 10/31/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wildcat98 on 10/30/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
I know "worst" is a relative term, and that records don't always indicate quality, but I thought it might be interesting to know what the worst records to win a championship at each of the 3 levels are. I can't imagine that any champions have ever had an actual LOSING record, have they? That would require entering the conference tournament at 7-19, or 8-18 with a bye, and I can't imagine that any teams THAT bad even won a 1st round NT game.
Is it just me, or did wildcat go from verge of retirement to the most active topic started in HD in about a week?
I think I have HD bipolar or something. Really, though, taking on a new challenge, with trying to rebuild an AWFUL Villanova team has given me a "second wind", I think. I even reactivated in a world I was in previously, and picked up Division 2 Fort Hays, to try and see if I can build a FB/FCP team, which I've never tried to do before.
10/31/2013 6:19 PM
Posted by wildcat98 on 10/31/2013 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jetwildcat on 10/31/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wildcat98 on 10/30/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
I know "worst" is a relative term, and that records don't always indicate quality, but I thought it might be interesting to know what the worst records to win a championship at each of the 3 levels are. I can't imagine that any champions have ever had an actual LOSING record, have they? That would require entering the conference tournament at 7-19, or 8-18 with a bye, and I can't imagine that any teams THAT bad even won a 1st round NT game.
Is it just me, or did wildcat go from verge of retirement to the most active topic started in HD in about a week?
I think I have HD bipolar or something. Really, though, taking on a new challenge, with trying to rebuild an AWFUL Villanova team has given me a "second wind", I think. I even reactivated in a world I was in previously, and picked up Division 2 Fort Hays, to try and see if I can build a FB/FCP team, which I've never tried to do before.
we all have HD bipolar. any coach who hasnt wanted to quit at some point must have only just started playing :) i even went the distance and dropped all teams and now i got sucked back in and have 1 :/ im pretty upset about it but theres just nothing i can do about it, i suppose :O
10/31/2013 10:25 PM
Posted by gillispie1 on 10/31/2013 10:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wildcat98 on 10/31/2013 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jetwildcat on 10/31/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wildcat98 on 10/30/2013 2:54:00 PM (view original):
I know "worst" is a relative term, and that records don't always indicate quality, but I thought it might be interesting to know what the worst records to win a championship at each of the 3 levels are. I can't imagine that any champions have ever had an actual LOSING record, have they? That would require entering the conference tournament at 7-19, or 8-18 with a bye, and I can't imagine that any teams THAT bad even won a 1st round NT game.
Is it just me, or did wildcat go from verge of retirement to the most active topic started in HD in about a week?
I think I have HD bipolar or something. Really, though, taking on a new challenge, with trying to rebuild an AWFUL Villanova team has given me a "second wind", I think. I even reactivated in a world I was in previously, and picked up Division 2 Fort Hays, to try and see if I can build a FB/FCP team, which I've never tried to do before.
we all have HD bipolar. any coach who hasnt wanted to quit at some point must have only just started playing :) i even went the distance and dropped all teams and now i got sucked back in and have 1 :/ im pretty upset about it but theres just nothing i can do about it, i suppose :O

Uh oh--Gillispie's back! We're all in trouble now!

11/2/2013 12:26 PM
I don't know about the worst team, but the worst player is my walkon Edward Samuels who was part of an undefeated D3 national champion in Smith season 62.  He started the season rated 192 and finished at a respectable 209.  He still shows off his championship ring, despite never seeing a minute of action.  
11/2/2013 11:53 PM
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