could be, but im a firm believer in second chances. although i thought he was banned from posting, kind of surprised to be him back. however, if admin was willing to give him a second shot, we should be, too.

a more cynical view is that you should at least give a guy enough rope to hang himself :O its only fair, rather than hanging him yourself!

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2014 5:31:00 AM (view original):
He was covering Moore for 10 of the 11 minutes.

So how does Moore, my best rebounder, not just abuse the guy on the glass?

Posted by a_in_the_b on 2/14/2014 8:41:00 AM (view original):
To expand, lets double the minutes and say he played 22. You really going to call a center going 6-16 from the floor, 4/8 from the line for 16 points and two rebounds a good game?

Also, if you want to act like position markers are meaningful, what is Lewis "a sf" doing playing minutes at PF for you in backup?

It's not that the position marker is meaningful, it's that the guy is so mismatched for the position. Lewis is a lot closer to a PF than their guy, and he's only playing there out of desperation as like a 4th teamer. Not someone that is playing there regularly.

Lewis has started a lot of games, always at SG or SF.

etta, could you describe the "reward"?  I don't see it either.

It's useful to ignore the listed position, just as it's useful to ignore height and weight.  The players are what their ratings say they are.

Edit - FWIW, I posted this as you made your reply above, and saw your reply after.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2014 5:31:00 AM (view original):
He was covering Moore for 10 of the 11 minutes.

So how does Moore, my best rebounder, not just abuse the guy on the glass?

oh, is that the bit you were upset about? your first post is quite vague. it definitely make these conversations more constructive if you would identify the game and players in question, and the particular issue you are seeing. this goes against the conventional wisdom that one game is too small of a sample size to get upset about anything, but it still isn't bad to have examples, so if you want to get that specific (one game), the more specific, the better!

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2014 12:19:00 PM (view original):
could be, but im a firm believer in second chances. although i thought he was banned from posting, kind of surprised to be him back. however, if admin was willing to give him a second shot, we should be, too.

a more cynical view is that you should at least give a guy enough rope to hang himself :O its only fair, rather than hanging him yourself!

Funny, I was surprised you weren't banned. I was for a few days. You weren't for the same involvement. Guess being a veteran has its privileges. 

i think it has more to do with your attitude towards everyone, and most likely, i get some forgiveness as i was relatively civil with you until the physical threat (which i believe is supposed to result in an immediate ban from the site altogether). i doubt it would have made any difference who i was, after you said that, you sort of gave me a free pass on any subsequent insults or snide comments.

but let's not rehash the past, there's nothing in that thread with value to merit further analysis. 

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2014 5:31:00 AM (view original):
He was covering Moore for 10 of the 11 minutes.

So how does Moore, my best rebounder, not just abuse the guy on the glass?

Well, for starters, it looks like there just weren't enough rebounds for any one player to abuse any other during that time.  I don't see that Dunlap was really cleaning the glass, anyway.

And moore outrebounded dunlap 3 to 1 in those ten minutes anyway.

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2014 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2014 5:31:00 AM (view original):
He was covering Moore for 10 of the 11 minutes.

So how does Moore, my best rebounder, not just abuse the guy on the glass?

oh, is that the bit you were upset about? your first post is quite vague. it definitely make these conversations more constructive if you would identify the game and players in question, and the particular issue you are seeing. this goes against the conventional wisdom that one game is too small of a sample size to get upset about anything, but it still isn't bad to have examples, so if you want to get that specific (one game), the more specific, the better!

I don't think it's overly vague. There isn't just one thing I was upset about, but the center thing is a really obvious example of a flaw in the sim logic. As soon as that guy goes in the game, the sim should be doing everything possible to take advantage of his presence. Running screens to force switches to get him matched up on other guys, taking advantage on the offensive glass, basically anything. 

If my FR center is supposedly horrible on defense (even though I've seen a bunch worse, and again now we're getting back into more value judgment of what is "terrible" largely from the perspective of veterans used to contender-quality teams), this guy is worse. 

The "5 minutes" phenomenon isn't one game at all. I'm guessing there have been 10 games this year that have been lost largely based on what happened in a 5 minute stretch. Not saying all should have been won, but certainly some should.

You want to talk about vague...all these unquantified evaluations like "oh this guy is just terrible" without identifying what good or average is. Consistently, the definition of awful and terrible here has been inconsistent with what I've seen from teams I've played against, and my schedule hasn't been bad. 

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2014 12:28:00 PM (view original):
i think it has more to do with your attitude towards everyone, and most likely, i get some forgiveness as i was relatively civil with you until the physical threat (which i believe is supposed to result in an immediate ban from the site altogether). i doubt it would have made any difference who i was, after you said that, you sort of gave me a free pass on any subsequent insults or snide comments.

but let's not rehash the past, there's nothing in that thread with value to merit further analysis. 

Why do you get a free pass (and you had been insulting me well before that)? Only reason I can see is because of who you are here, not that that means anything anywhere else.

Complete double standard. 

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2014 5:31:00 AM (view original):
He was covering Moore for 10 of the 11 minutes.

So how does Moore, my best rebounder, not just abuse the guy on the glass?

now that you have clarified your original complaint, i would ask the question, is out rebounding the other player 3-1 not sufficient?

you might also want to check the team rebounds in that period. rebounding is somewhat of a team effort, and that is reflected (probably more than you would like) in the sim. his sf playing center should result not only in fewer rebounds for himself, but for other players (which does make sense - if hes not there to box people out, or is useless in that regard, even if the rebound isn't coming to him, he is hurting his teams' chances). its going to be such a small sample size in 11 minutes to basically be meaningless, but it would be interesting to see how the team rebounding fared in that period, compare to the rest of the game, when he had an actual big man playing center. a lot of rebounding is computed on the team level, thats where the real comparisons are made - and then rebounds are doled out to individuals in a manner to make the stats look realistic. you really have to look to team rebounds to gauge success.

 at least, it used to work that way - now it still works that way to a substantial extent, but individual matchups are taken into account now. this is an example of where veterans have pushed for a more realistic game, and the site staff have responded. the 3-1 rebounding margin you had in that time suggests they may have done something right, as far as that is concerned - no? maybe your guy should have gotten more than 75%, but when its only 4, its hard to label a 3-1 advantage as unreasonable, isn't it?

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2014 12:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2014 5:31:00 AM (view original):
He was covering Moore for 10 of the 11 minutes.

So how does Moore, my best rebounder, not just abuse the guy on the glass?

now that you have clarified your original complaint, i would ask the question, is out rebounding the other player 3-1 not sufficient?

you might also want to check the team rebounds in that period. rebounding is somewhat of a team effort, and that is reflected (probably more than you would like) in the sim. his sf playing center should result not only in fewer rebounds for himself, but for other players (which does make sense - if hes not there to box people out, or is useless in that regard, even if the rebound isn't coming to him, he is hurting his teams' chances). its going to be such a small sample size in 11 minutes to basically be meaningless, but it would be interesting to see how the team rebounding fared in that period, compare to the rest of the game, when he had an actual big man playing center. a lot of rebounding is computed on the team level, thats where the real comparisons are made - and then rebounds are doled out to individuals in a manner to make the stats look realistic. you really have to look to team rebounds to gauge success.

 at least, it used to work that way - now it still works that way to a substantial extent, but individual matchups are taken into account now. this is an example of where veterans have pushed for a more realistic game, and the site staff have responded. the 3-1 rebounding margin you had in that time suggests they may have done something right, as far as that is concerned - no? maybe your guy should have gotten more than 75%, but when its only 4, its hard to label a 3-1 advantage as unreasonable, isn't it?

Your failure to understand doesn't constitute a lack of clarity on my part.

If this is the attitude you're going to affect with me, I'd rather you not respond to me. With stuff like that I can't tell if you're trying to bait me or being serious, but I don't want to be the victim of asymmetric punishment again.

All of you are missing the point that the "mystery 5 minutes" where my team goes missing has happened over and over, all different parts of the game, with seemingly no common reason. It's not one game, or one matchup (though the one with Dunlap is particularly illustrative of how the sim does not make strategic adjustments to take advantage of ridiculous matchups such as that). It's really most of the losses we've incurred in the season have come that way. Not all (not Ursinus or John Carroll or USM certainly), but many.