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Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MyGeneration on 5/22/2014 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)
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Nobody from Division II gets drafted in real life. Not in the Top 15, outside the Top 15, or in the Second Round. And the D-League happens after the NBA draft. Not sure what you are thinking about.
PJ Hairston projected to be picked around #25 in the draft is from the Texas legends NBA D-league
Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Delaware 87ers projected to be picked around #29 NBA D-League

Those are 2 players projected 1st rounders playing in the NBA D-league... You sir are very wrong... Unfortunatly this year their isn't any good D2 players but it does happen... Do some research before you talk...
Where are the "tons of players from D2 and even D-league" being drafted? When was the last drafted D2 player? Do some research.
5/22/2014 7:39 PM
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Posted by stinenavy on 5/22/2014 7:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MyGeneration on 5/22/2014 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)
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Nobody from Division II gets drafted in real life. Not in the Top 15, outside the Top 15, or in the Second Round. And the D-League happens after the NBA draft. Not sure what you are thinking about.
PJ Hairston projected to be picked around #25 in the draft is from the Texas legends NBA D-league
Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Delaware 87ers projected to be picked around #29 NBA D-League

Those are 2 players projected 1st rounders playing in the NBA D-league... You sir are very wrong... Unfortunatly this year their isn't any good D2 players but it does happen... Do some research before you talk...
Where are the "tons of players from D2 and even D-league" being drafted? When was the last drafted D2 player? Do some research.
If you followed the forum we clarified that D2 is becoming more rare but D-league is very in the picture if you see the 2 I posted and thats just in the first round.... We did do research, you should do some reading and see that topic was updated following more responses....
5/22/2014 7:48 PM
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Can you define "tons"?

The last D2 drafted player I found was 12 years ago. If by "more rare" you mean unlikely to happen again, I agree, but clearly you didn't mean that.
5/22/2014 7:54 PM
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stinenavy, again can you not reference the first post I made and read... D2 will have a player drafted again, it won't be this season but it will happen... Why are you being so rude? I don't get it... You need to relax and not try to pick at an opening comment when it clearly has been trimmed down anyways and look at the real picture of why this thread exists.

Let me clarify why it's here... To improve the big draft board to more accuratly represent current day draft habits... So if you'd like, i'm more happy to move on from this petty conversation and agree to disagree and look to improve this game which is the sole purpose I orginally set out for in intiatiating input in the first place...
5/22/2014 8:15 PM
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Here is a stat to show the current draft formula is not where it should be OR the talent disparity is absolutly awful, in Smith the top 5 coaches with the most drafted NBA players which all have coached at D1 since at least season 20 and most since season 10ish Currently sit at

1-120
2-106
3-87
4-79
5-77

Now since I havent been able to find a similar stat for coaches in the NCAA level I used teams over the course of history in general for most players drafted into the NBA and that currently sits at

1-UCLA 98
2- UNC 94
3- Kentucky 91
4- Duke 73
5- Indiana 69

The talent disparity is much greater as the top 2 coaches sit almost 20 recruits ahead of 3-4-5 while its 29 total between 1st and 5th of schools. I also will add the top coach was not the longest D1 coach. He also did not have the most wins. The 4th and 5th place coach actually have more wins.

The draft formula for determining who is going to the NBA is off. No doubting that, maybe we dont need to include D2 but they shouldn't be 100% ruled out. It may even be in general that the talent disparity is awful and if the talent at D1 got moved around better we could see a better balance overall. Lots of things can be tweaked and worked to make this better. All we can really do is trust in Seble

5/22/2014 8:30 PM
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Stop comparing how RL NBA drafts work to ones in HD, they aren't anywhere the same.

In RL a 1st team All American D1 player can decide he wants to go to the local D3 college and play ball... won't happen in HD ever.  No one outside of HD college ball gets drafted like Rubio.  All HD recruiting is regional (do you really think in RL, the #1 hoops HS prospect who happens to be in California wouldn't consider going to Kentucky/UNC/Duke... but that would rarely happen in HD).
5/22/2014 8:54 PM
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friend of mine in high school was called by izzo to potentially go to michigan state and ended up playing for a D3 school because he didn't like comparisions he got to Drew Neitzel... That happens... People are idiots
5/22/2014 8:57 PM
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Posted by buddhagamer on 5/22/2014 8:54:00 PM (view original):
Stop comparing how RL NBA drafts work to ones in HD, they aren't anywhere the same.

In RL a 1st team All American D1 player can decide he wants to go to the local D3 college and play ball... won't happen in HD ever.  No one outside of HD college ball gets drafted like Rubio.  All HD recruiting is regional (do you really think in RL, the #1 hoops HS prospect who happens to be in California wouldn't consider going to Kentucky/UNC/Duke... but that would rarely happen in HD).
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To add to this point. D1 schools in RL recruit players who can bust. Whether it be name value (think McAdoo for example), limited potential, or improper fit. That rarely will ever happen in HD because you can actually see how good they currently are and how good they will be. So, the top teams pick up those players who are and will be good. That means it's hard for a top player, like the Haywards and Earlys, to sneak through to mid-majors (or D2, for that matter) because you can actually see how everyone will be. So yes, the top tier teams will have better recruits and more drafted players, but unless you change the entire HD game, that's going to be how it is.

I prefer it the way it is. It's just better. I would hate if I coached Duke, recruited a player and he just flopped based of random chances. Meanwhile, the other player I was looking at was, by chance, was shining at a Princeton or something.
5/23/2014 5:15 AM
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So I noticed on the Big Board in Allen that there are only 2 Freshman listed and both have an outlook of staying.  Do Freshman ever leave after their first year?  Are there any 1-and-done's in this game?   

BTW this feature is a great addtion!   Props to Seble and the HD staff. 
5/23/2014 7:37 PM
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really want those columns to sort, so I can look at the juniors/sophs or look by school or look by total points or by position
5/23/2014 7:57 PM
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another example of how the talent disparity between the Big 6 conferences and even good mid-major conferences is far too vast...
5/25/2014 7:57 AM
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Since none of my guys are on there, I find it to be a Daft Big Board...
5/25/2014 10:54 AM
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do we really need height and weight in there?  how about something useful like PPG, school prestige...
5/25/2014 11:05 AM
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One question I have is how common will it be to lose a guy who doesn't show up on the board? I see guys at the bottom of the Naismith board "On the Fence". Not that it shouldn't ever happen. Shoot, that random kid from New Mexico that weighed like 300 lbs went early this year in real life, but I'd hope it's a rare occurrance at least. As in very rare.
5/25/2014 1:25 PM
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I read an article about the lack of small college players in the NBA. The author cited three reasons

    1) An influx of foreign players

  2) The profitability of the NCAA tournament has prompted more small colleges to move to the lower fringe of D1
 
   3) High school coaches, believing that D1 is the only path to the NBA, discourage their stars from playing D2 even when it may be a better fit for them.  In some instances, the caliber of play at D2 is stronger than the lower D1 schools. 

5/26/2014 7:54 AM (edited)
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