Posted by tarvolon on 1/24/2015 2:57:00 PM (view original):
This is moving from low D1 to high D1, not D2 to D1. 

I am qualified for some smaller conference B- jobs, but I'm not qualified for a B prestige job in the Big Sky or B- jobs in the ACC, MWC, or CUSA. I was also not qualified for C+ Missouri. 

I think you're absolutely right that lack of longevity is the problem. I just can't see why longevity should be so important that it outranks quality. How many real life coaches have made multiple runs past the first round in low-major conferences and can't get mediocre Big Six jobs? 

Real Life coaches don't pay to play the game and quit if they can't get the school they want

So, longevity means more seasons paid to play.

I agree that in the real NCAA Basketball environment there are:

1.  The huge guys (Like Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Billy Donavon etc.)

Then after those guys who get the best jobs if they want them, there are the up and comers, like Shakka Smart, etc. 

So one of the many flaws in the job engine (when comparing it to real life) is that the hot/fresh new face does not get jobs in Div-1. 

But I can kind of see their point in trying to keep paying customers happy.

What might be nice is for different schools to exhibit different personalities and some of even the big boys liking to take a chance on the "hot new guy" sometimes.

Posted by hughesjr on 1/24/2015 3:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarvolon on 1/24/2015 2:57:00 PM (view original):
This is moving from low D1 to high D1, not D2 to D1. 

I am qualified for some smaller conference B- jobs, but I'm not qualified for a B prestige job in the Big Sky or B- jobs in the ACC, MWC, or CUSA. I was also not qualified for C+ Missouri. 

I think you're absolutely right that lack of longevity is the problem. I just can't see why longevity should be so important that it outranks quality. How many real life coaches have made multiple runs past the first round in low-major conferences and can't get mediocre Big Six jobs? 

Real Life coaches don't pay to play the game and quit if they can't get the school they want

So, longevity means more seasons paid to play.

I agree that in the real NCAA Basketball environment there are:

1.  The huge guys (Like Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Billy Donavon etc.)

Then after those guys who get the best jobs if they want them, there are the up and comers, like Shakka Smart, etc. 

So one of the many flaws in the job engine (when comparing it to real life) is that the hot/fresh new face does not get jobs in Div-1. 

But I can kind of see their point in trying to keep paying customers happy.

What might be nice is for different schools to exhibit different personalities and some of even the big boys liking to take a chance on the "hot new guy" sometimes.

well, ill just say that someone at a mid major with a smart or stevens or few kind of resume, those guys definitely can get big 6 jobs. its the next tier of up and comers that really have the issues in HD

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/25/2015 11:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 1/24/2015 3:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarvolon on 1/24/2015 2:57:00 PM (view original):
This is moving from low D1 to high D1, not D2 to D1. 

I am qualified for some smaller conference B- jobs, but I'm not qualified for a B prestige job in the Big Sky or B- jobs in the ACC, MWC, or CUSA. I was also not qualified for C+ Missouri. 

I think you're absolutely right that lack of longevity is the problem. I just can't see why longevity should be so important that it outranks quality. How many real life coaches have made multiple runs past the first round in low-major conferences and can't get mediocre Big Six jobs? 

Real Life coaches don't pay to play the game and quit if they can't get the school they want

So, longevity means more seasons paid to play.

I agree that in the real NCAA Basketball environment there are:

1.  The huge guys (Like Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Billy Donavon etc.)

Then after those guys who get the best jobs if they want them, there are the up and comers, like Shakka Smart, etc. 

So one of the many flaws in the job engine (when comparing it to real life) is that the hot/fresh new face does not get jobs in Div-1. 

But I can kind of see their point in trying to keep paying customers happy.

What might be nice is for different schools to exhibit different personalities and some of even the big boys liking to take a chance on the "hot new guy" sometimes.

well, ill just say that someone at a mid major with a smart or stevens or few kind of resume, those guys definitely can get big 6 jobs. its the next tier of up and comers that really have the issues in HD

I'm actually trying to think of a good real life equivalent. My current resume has a bit more power than a guy like Bruce Pearl (who obviously got a good job from UWM), Jay Wright (who got a good job from Hofstra), or Chris Mooney (who didn't get a job from Richmond--not sure if he could've). It has more top-end power but less longevity than Gregg Marshall at Winthrop. Actually have a bit more longevity and same top-end power compared to Trent Johnson, who got a job at a Stanford school that was definitely A or A- prestige in WIS terms. 

Mark Fox at Nevada is the closest I can come up with, although my last season at ETSU was way better than his last season at Nevada. 

Basically, in real life, there is a LOOOOOOT less emphasis on longevity. Bill Self had two NT appearances in seven seasons (although obviously his Elite Eight beats my Sweet Sixteen) when he got the Illinois job. Cuonzo Martin had zero NT appearances in three seasons when he got the Tennessee job. Andy Enfield had one NT appearance in two years when he got the USC job. Brian Gregory had two NT appearances in eight seasons when he got the Georgia Tech job. I could go on. . .