Drastically Reduce Rollover Time Topic

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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Because we know SIMMY sucks, as evidenced by the standings I provided, you rest your good players and wait for a game against humans.
That the simulation sucked at another game at another time has NOTHING to do with this topic. If you think it does, you've make that point, so you can stop making it over and over again.

I don't know anything about those other games.  What I know is in HBD Simmy runs every game for every team.

Even if there were no changes made to how Simmy ranks players, sets default lineups, determines SP, etc. (all of which could be improved with a little effort), you still wouldn't do anything different game day if the team was run by Simmy.

Just like you do now, you might look at the other team's record, the SP, the ball park, etc..  And you might consider your players need for rest, what team you are playing next, etc.

As I asked above, please share with us 3 specific actions you would take, different than you take now, if you knew your next game was against a sim run team?
6/25/2015 1:19 PM
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Why the hell should I answer your questions if you won't bother with mine?

The FACT that Simmy SUCKS in every other game gives you an indication of how bad it would be in it's MOST COMPLICATED game.

Don't feel bad, everyone comes up with a stinker of an idea.    But most of us accept it and drop it.   You didn't get that gene.
6/25/2015 1:26 PM
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And, FWIW, it's not just a game day thing.   You have ALL the other aspects of HBD.   Which are FAR MORE COMPLICATED than the other games.
6/25/2015 1:27 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:43:00 PM (view original):
So do you think, in your infinite wisdom, that WifS designed Simmy in GD, HD and soccer to be horrible?   To consistently be bottom feeders?   And to leave them that way?

What, good sir, makes you believe that WifS would redesign Simmy in it's most complicated Dynasty game to be better? 
Now, if you would, please respond to these simple questions. 

Thanks in advance.
This.
6/25/2015 1:27 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:45:00 PM (view original):
To put it another way, do you play Madden(or similar video games)?    At some point, even against Hall of Fame(or whatever top level they have), do you still win every game?

Do you, or do you not, think EA Sports has more resources than WifS to make the AI better?
Or address these questions.

And this.

6/25/2015 1:27 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:45:00 PM (view original):
To put it another way, do you play Madden(or similar video games)?    At some point, even against Hall of Fame(or whatever top level they have), do you still win every game?

Do you, or do you not, think EA Sports has more resources than WifS to make the AI better?
Excellent Mike post!

(1) Mike makes a point nobody else is making.

(2) Mike argues against that point.

(3) Mike makes Mike feel smart.

Where did you come up with the idea that a sim run team has to be better than a human run team?

They just have to be good enough to allow people to play HBD instead of waiting weeks / months in the hope that their world fills so the next season can start.

I'm not saying every world has to all sim run teams.  Your Most Excellent worlds certainly don't have to allow any sims.

A lot of people like to play Madden on Rookie and win by 50 every game.  EA Sports happily takes their money.

THE main reason (there are others but one is THE main reason) Madden Football (and Game of War and Clash of Clans and dozens of others) are BOOMING and HBD is barely alive is those games offer a lot of ways to play.

People can play when they want.  Not when 31 other people are ready.

People who want to play in Rookie mode can with by 50+ points every game.  People who want to play with or against the best players in the world can find each other.

You can start playing for free.  Or very cheap.  There are lots of ways to pull money out of people once they are engaged.

There are steps -- tiny and not very expensive -- HBD could take in this direction.

And they don't.  Probably never will.

But sooner or later, someone else will.  And they'll make a killing. And then probably sell it to Fox Sports in 3 years.

6/25/2015 1:44 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:43:00 PM (view original):
So do you think, in your infinite wisdom, that WifS designed Simmy in GD, HD and soccer to be horrible?   To consistently be bottom feeders?   And to leave them that way?

What, good sir, makes you believe that WifS would redesign Simmy in it's most complicated Dynasty game to be better? 
Now, if you would, please respond to these simple questions. 

Thanks in advance.
This.
Already answered.  I gave several specifics on how it would work.
6/25/2015 1:45 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/25/2015 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:45:00 PM (view original):
To put it another way, do you play Madden(or similar video games)?    At some point, even against Hall of Fame(or whatever top level they have), do you still win every game?

Do you, or do you not, think EA Sports has more resources than WifS to make the AI better?
Or address these questions.

And this.

Answered.

It has nothing to do with total dollars to invest.  It's about making specific investments to increase income.  IMO, Fox Sports has enough cash lying around to make this specific investment.

6/25/2015 1:47 PM
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Resources isn't just money.  

 

You really are a waste of time.

 

SIM teams in HBD would be the worst.   Worst. 

6/25/2015 1:53 PM
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Mike,

If you'd like to turn this into something that might be productive (and I realize that's not your thing) -

Why don't we go through everything, from the first day a world rolls, in order, that has to be done by a human GM.

Unless you're determined to disagree for the sake of disagreeing, I'm confident you can come up with easy to execute logic for everything that would result in a good enough team playing that season and that team being in better shape for a person to take over than many of the teams out there now.

I'd ask you to agree that the goal is not for simmy to build a WS winner that season or a dynasty. 

The goals would be (1) real people are playing instead of waiting (and therefore spending money on HBD) and (2) Simmy doesn't do any of the things humans to that make it very hard to find anyone to take over that team.

6/25/2015 1:55 PM
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Did you miss the part where I said you're a waste of time?

There's a reason I'm the only one responding.   Everyone knows this is a horrible idea.    Allowing commissioners to customize the size of a world is the answer.   Sim teams is not. 

 

6/25/2015 1:59 PM
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Haven't checked in for awhile. So we want answers in threes?

Okay. Here's how it works in soccer. First of all, understand they did one thing right: AI teams aren't supposed to win. No one wants that. They're just for allowing the league to proceed. Fine.

When I play a sim team I put in my backups. Sim teams don't compete for free agents, they just backfill their rosters with leftovers when all the real owners have picked players they want. That means that not only do I know I'm better than a sim team, I can guess by exactly how much. I make sure to sign cheap backups who I know will be better than sim team starters. There's more. I might try a formation I wouldn't in a real game. I might try to run up the score on purpose. I might use a player I'd never use in a real game, to get him some PT.

The competition for players thing screws with the dynamic of the world. Player values change all the time. When you're competing with six or ten other owners for players, it's aot different than competing with 20.

And essentially, half the games or more don't count. You're beating all the sim teams 5-0 or 6-0. A 38 game schedule becomes really a 10 game schedule. I've had a rivalry with one other owner which, for many seasons was a de facto one game showdown out of 38. Is it fun to go 34-2-2 when the other guy goes 34-3-1. Not so much.

Finally, the first tiebreaker is goal differential. Which means running up the score on AIs can decide titles.

I understand why it keeps worlds alive and moving. It cheapens the product and lessens enjoyment of the game.

6/25/2015 2:31 PM
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Simmy is kind of smart though, in game 5 of my AA world series in the bottom of the 9th when my team was down by two runs, Simmy used two pinch runners and both ended up scoring to get me the W.

Use that logic, multiply it across like three dozen other facets and you could have yourself a AAAA squad competing in your World. Which is no different than having an absent owner, really. 
6/25/2015 3:42 PM
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Or, had they not scored and you had to play a C at 3B in extra innings, you'd be telling another story.

More than one person has asked "Why does SIMMY do this?"

Sim owners will destroy worlds.   But, as tuft said, some people like to put Madden on Rookie and win every game by 50.   We already have plenty of worlds that are 'tarded up beyond repair.   Throw some simmy teams at them and make them worse.
6/25/2015 4:10 PM
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To be fair to both sides I think the best route moving forward is the continuing of World mergers. Not everyone will be for it but it reduces the footprint on the HBD landscape.
6/25/2015 4:37 PM
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