There is nothing wrong with this at all. That job was open and no one took it. Maybe because they were not qualified at the time. You can only reserve for jobs you are completely qualified for. You have to meet all prestige requirements, etc.

Now a guy comes in, he IS qualified right now for Kansas.. That means he was also qualified before, he just did not apply. He paid cash now and is qualified, right now for the job. The people complaining who need this season to qualify are NOT currently qualified (or they did not apply).

The prestige the new guy is qualifying for is the same one nobody was able to meet before.. It's not like he somehow got to apply at a lower prestige than during the job period. He had to meet all the requirements. He is applying under the other job period rules.

What is wrong at all about that?

He could have applied during the normal job period if he wanted.. But he wasn't available. Maybe he was on vacation or out of the country. He was qualified and if no one else applied, he would have gotten the job. But he didn't apply, nor did anyone else. He shows up later.. See's that Kansas is open.. Pays his $12.95 and reserves a team he is completely qualified for. So what?

The guy in question has 6 national championships, 165 seasons and more than 3500 wins.

Posted by hughesjr on 3/3/2016 1:32:00 AM (view original):
There is nothing wrong with this at all. That job was open and no one took it. Maybe because they were not qualified at the time. You can only reserve for jobs you are completely qualified for. You have to meet all prestige requirements, etc.

Now a guy comes in, he IS qualified right now for Kansas.. That means he was also qualified before, he just did not apply. He paid cash now and is qualified, right now for the job. The people complaining who need this season to qualify are NOT currently qualified (or they did not apply).

The prestige the new guy is qualifying for is the same one nobody was able to meet before.. It's not like he somehow got to apply at a lower prestige than during the job period. He had to meet all the requirements. He is applying under the other job period rules.

What is wrong at all about that?

He could have applied during the normal job period if he wanted.. But he wasn't available. Maybe he was on vacation or out of the country. He was qualified and if no one else applied, he would have gotten the job. But he didn't apply, nor did anyone else. He shows up later.. See's that Kansas is open.. Pays his $12.95 and reserves a team he is completely qualified for. So what?

The guy in question has 6 national championships, 165 seasons and more than 3500 wins.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better!

I am sure he was qualified, and if once the season starts and you all can see his resume and check that fact. I have never seen a jobs notice mid season...not ever. I have taken advantage of "reserving" teams numerous times and the job notice comes up under "News" at first cycle AFTER coaching positions become available to apply for in the existing coach realm.

So I am inclined that this is a bug, or a change that selbe has implemented recently ( and I doubt this). Just wait until his resume appears, then this little bump in the road will pass.

However a good point was made previously, and that is that just as in GD, existing Coaches should be allowed to apply for positions that are Sim controlled during the season, and then ALL candidates are reviewed before the job is posted as filled. This gives everybody a chance at open Sim jobs. And as I was told by the GD Customer Service group long ago, if an existing Coach throws his name in the hat during the season at a school, a new incoming person cannot reserve that team, and vice versa.

I totally think it is fair, although I am disappointed because I had considered that job at the end of last season. Just couldn't do it because I won the Championship at Illinois. But was considering it after this season because I have always wanted to try coaching at Kansas. But, I had my opportunity, and if I wanted it that bad I should have taken it while I was there. I do like the idea of being able to apply in the off season though, but I think there should be some hit to your loyalty if you do that. Otherwise, I would have put in for that job now with the thought that I will decide after the season if I want it, but effectively keeping the job available. But back to the original question, everyone who was qualified for that job at the end of the last season had the opportunity to take it. So, I personally see no issue with how it played out. In hindsight, kind of glad I stayed because we ended up having a really good recruiting class, and right now we are #2 at the end of the regular season. I'll just have to wait for Kansas to come open again at some point.

Posted by jaymc2007 on 3/3/2016 2:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 3/3/2016 1:32:00 AM (view original):
There is nothing wrong with this at all. That job was open and no one took it. Maybe because they were not qualified at the time. You can only reserve for jobs you are completely qualified for. You have to meet all prestige requirements, etc.

Now a guy comes in, he IS qualified right now for Kansas.. That means he was also qualified before, he just did not apply. He paid cash now and is qualified, right now for the job. The people complaining who need this season to qualify are NOT currently qualified (or they did not apply).

The prestige the new guy is qualifying for is the same one nobody was able to meet before.. It's not like he somehow got to apply at a lower prestige than during the job period. He had to meet all the requirements. He is applying under the other job period rules.

What is wrong at all about that?

He could have applied during the normal job period if he wanted.. But he wasn't available. Maybe he was on vacation or out of the country. He was qualified and if no one else applied, he would have gotten the job. But he didn't apply, nor did anyone else. He shows up later.. See's that Kansas is open.. Pays his $12.95 and reserves a team he is completely qualified for. So what?

The guy in question has 6 national championships, 165 seasons and more than 3500 wins.

I'm not saying he isn't qualified, I'm sure he is. What I am saying is if I wanted Kansas this upcoming season (I don't and I'm not even close to qualified just using an example) and this would be the first season I would be qualified for the job, I feel it is unfair I can't get it because he took it mid season. What I am saying is if he wants to apply mid season, ok fine. But the job should still be apply-able for coaches who are in the current season.

And to the argument of "you had that chance last season" what I am saying what if this coming season would be the FIRST season I was qualified to get Kansas. The way it would be fair would be if he reserved it then went into the job pool for the job like everybody else could apply during the job changing time frame. Then, if nobody applied or if he was the best candidate... Then he gets it.

But it is not yet the upcoming season. If you are going to allow people to sign up during a season, you have to do it based on the last job cycle .. not the upcoming job cycle.

If it is the beginning of a new world, season 1, day 1. There will be a job period, then you will start playing. Some number of teams will be SIM coached and on a list to be reserved. That list and that reservation period will be an extension of the 1st job period, not part of the second (or next) job period. That is because the second job period will start AFTER the season, AFTER any applicable prestige calculations are made for all coaches and all teams. That will begin the job period for season 2.

But, the job period 'during' season 1 is job period 1 not job period 2. So, the qualifications and the hiring take place in season 1 and job period 1, not in season 2 or job period 2. That person, when he pays his money and applies for the job, is hired in season 1. He is the coach when you see the news announcement (in season 1, when he was qualified, paid and picked a team), he just gains access to the team in season 2.

That process is completely different than the job period 2 process.

And to the argument of "you had that chance last season" what I am saying what if this coming season would be the FIRST season I was qualified to get Kansas. The way it would be fair would be if he reserved it then went into the job pool for the job like everybody else could apply during the job changing time frame. Then, if nobody applied or if he was the best candidate... Then he gets it.

Because this season you aren't qualified and he is. You (and all the other current coaches) already had "dibs" by nature of being active in the world. Since no one took the job, (either because they didn't want it or weren't qualified) it remains open with the same requirements all the current coaches faced.

Someone comes along during the season who qualifies and is interested (apparently both conditions not applying to any of the coaches currently in the world, since they didn't or couldn't apply) and takes the job. There is no preferential treatment. It would be no different than you wanting the job, but not being qualified, and another coach in world took it during the jobs part of the calendar, only in this case, the coach was not in world, and took it mid season - but it's no different as fair as "fairness"

Posted by clansing on 3/3/2016 1:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 3/3/2016 1:32:00 AM (view original):
There is nothing wrong with this at all. That job was open and no one took it. Maybe because they were not qualified at the time. You can only reserve for jobs you are completely qualified for. You have to meet all prestige requirements, etc.

Now a guy comes in, he IS qualified right now for Kansas.. That means he was also qualified before, he just did not apply. He paid cash now and is qualified, right now for the job. The people complaining who need this season to qualify are NOT currently qualified (or they did not apply).

The prestige the new guy is qualifying for is the same one nobody was able to meet before.. It's not like he somehow got to apply at a lower prestige than during the job period. He had to meet all the requirements. He is applying under the other job period rules.

What is wrong at all about that?

He could have applied during the normal job period if he wanted.. But he wasn't available. Maybe he was on vacation or out of the country. He was qualified and if no one else applied, he would have gotten the job. But he didn't apply, nor did anyone else. He shows up later.. See's that Kansas is open.. Pays his $12.95 and reserves a team he is completely qualified for. So what?

The guy in question has 6 national championships, 165 seasons and more than 3500 wins.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better!

This should end all argument on the matter. Very well put Hughes.

Posted by jaymc2007 on 3/3/2016 7:02:00 PM (view original):
I guess I'll agree to disagree. In my mind, all coaches should apply for the jobs at the SAME TIME. No sooner/later... depending on how you look at it!

But then you lose all the drive by guys who might want to sign up when there are no worlds accepting coaches. And that is most days.

RE. "What I am saying is if I wanted _____ this upcoming season ... and this would be the first season I would be qualified for the job, I feel it is unfair I can't get it because he took it mid season."
On the FIRST season my qualification increases there will be new teams that I qualify for. If I would like to get one in particular, but someone else is already there, for a long time or a short time ... so be it. To think that I should have my pick of any team I want is a sense of entitlement that I don't share. I think the current system is fair and pretty much the way it must be.

Posted by jaymc2007 on 3/4/2016 6:55:00 AM (view original):
It isn't a sense of entitlement... It's a sense of "I worked hard to learn this game and get here and I can't have this team because some guy who hasn't been active in X amount of years decides to come back and take them."

yeah, that guy worked hard too.

What you obstinately insist on staying ignorant about is that you have (had) an advantage over him by virtue of being active when jobs started...the fact you didn't qualify is irrelevant. It's the same job cycle. You didn't qualify then - your resume hasn't updated, so you still don't. If he had been here then at the last season on his resume, he would have qualified, and presumably taken the job - the same job you don't have the opportunity to take now and didn't when jobs started...

No they shouldn't have to be there at the same time. That is the PURPOSE of the reservation system. You are NOT qualified and he is. He also EARNED his qualification. Because he WAS there, for just as long or longer than you. And while he was there, it did just as well or better than you .. because HE is qualified for that position and you are NOT.

They have a reservation system, because if they did not, they could not have sign ups except for 3 days when the job period happens in every world. A new coach or a returning coach who pays new money to come back, in your world, would be told .. give me your money now at the time of purchase .. BUT .. you can't pick a team now. Instead make a note on your calendar and then come back and apply for a job later. That does not make any sense at all. It is especially stupid for new coaches who have never played. In fact, it makes more sense to me for the coach that signs up to immediately get to coach that team in the middle of the season and not ever wait until rollover.

But regardless, the guy who was qualified while you are not is MORE entitled to the team than you are. His qualifications, right now are better than yours. Just because someone decided to take a few seasons off, that does not impact how that person performed as a coach while he was coaching. And nobody has to wait for you to catchup before they can apply for a job.