Posted by sol_phenom3 on 4/12/2016 11:01:00 AM (view original):
Murray is generally getting about 11% of plays called for him. In some more recent games I ratcheted up his distro to closer to 25%-30% to see if he could keep up his FG% and he did.

I think his combination of ATH/SPD/LP/BH helps him, especially with the sheer number of turnovers we force.

I am starting to think BH is more important that I thought for scoring bigs.

It might be. Also, I forget if this is the case--but wasn't it noted ages ago that passing affects the ability to catch passes as well as the ability to distribute the ball?

If that's the case, then bigs with high pass ratings should also be more efficient scorers as well.

Posted by dan2044 on 4/12/2016 10:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 4/12/2016 9:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dan2044 on 4/12/2016 9:23:00 AM (view original):
He can definitely play the 4. Especially playing a fastbreak/press, he gives you better spd/bh/pa in your lineup. And at DIII, his ath/reb is good enough that he'll even be a fine rebounder there.

I'd actually even take it a step further and say that he's a better fit at pf than sf.

Not really sure what MyGeneration is referring to when he says this guy has poor big man skills. Not every pf and c needs to be 90's rebounding and shot blocking.

I just took a quick look at your team though, and the only reason I might suggest you play him at SF, is because you don't have a better option there, and don't have enough guards to move one of them over.

for most traditional lineups, this guy isn't ideal, even at D3, for a big, so mygen isn't wrong.

for outside the box thinking, maybe with small ball and fastbreak, assuming that yeah, the 1-3 are filled already and its a matter of this guy being backup or starting at the 4, esp if your bigs are slow and clunky, sure, why not...

I disagree that this is out of the box. This guy isn't far off from being a perfect fit at pf. If he was 5 points higher in reb, or a little bit higher ath, you wouldn't think twice to use him as a big man in a DIII press.

Dacj, what does your ideal pf look like?

I'd like more reb and sb. Esp sb.

Big man skills are rebounding and shot-blocking specifically I think, so when mygen says this guy has poor big man skills maybe its a little harsh; I guess I'd say he has mediocre big man skills - but that doesn't mean the player can't be successful, especially in the set the coach is running.

I'd play him there if I had no one that had more reb and sb, but I would then be trying to offset the lack of reb and sb by taking advantage of other things or whatever...

So do you think the PF and C should be basically the same type of player?

Posted by sol_phenom3 on 4/12/2016 11:54:00 AM (view original):
It might be. Also, I forget if this is the case--but wasn't it noted ages ago that passing affects the ability to catch passes as well as the ability to distribute the ball?

If that's the case, then bigs with high pass ratings should also be more efficient scorers as well.

Certainly not that I'm aware of...

He's a good small ball 4 in the fb/press, as long as you have a 90+ reb center you'll be fine. If his LP continues to develop he'll be a great scoring with the ath/spd/lp/bh combo he has going

I'd actually hate him at the 3 he's way to slow, his ath is good but not elite to make up for the slowness, and his bh/pas is weak for a 3.

But yeah he's solid from the 4 imo

Posted by dahsdebater on 4/12/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sol_phenom3 on 4/12/2016 11:54:00 AM (view original):
It might be. Also, I forget if this is the case--but wasn't it noted ages ago that passing affects the ability to catch passes as well as the ability to distribute the ball?

If that's the case, then bigs with high pass ratings should also be more efficient scorers as well.

Certainly not that I'm aware of...

It's something I literally remember being stated pre-seble, possibly even in the pre-potential era.

But I don't remember who said it or if it was ever confirmed...

I think team passing (weighted by position) helps FG%. In that sense, a high pass helps everyone on the floor including the guy taking the shot.

Posted by dan2044 on 4/12/2016 12:19:00 PM (view original):
So do you think the PF and C should be basically the same type of player?

no, especially not in a set like fb. I like a little spd at least in the 4, but ideally both should be elite rebounders

Can't argue with that. Ideally the whole team would be elite rebounders and have great speed. But it's DIII, so you have to pick and choose.

In response to the original question, I think some people's standards are way too high here. I would say your average title team has at least one starter of that caliber or lower. He's an above-average defender at the 3 or the 4. He's not a great scorer, and he's not a great rebounder at the 4. I wouldn't say he's a plus starter at any position. But he's a solid team guy at either spot and I'd be perfectly comfortable starting him.

Posted by dahsdebater on 4/12/2016 2:40:00 PM (view original):
In response to the original question, I think some people's standards are way too high here. I would say your average title team has at least one starter of that caliber or lower. He's an above-average defender at the 3 or the 4. He's not a great scorer, and he's not a great rebounder at the 4. I wouldn't say he's a plus starter at any position. But he's a solid team guy at either spot and I'd be perfectly comfortable starting him.

Agreed.. I mean, sure if you could also get 20 more points in REB and 20 or 30 more in SB {and everything else the same as it is}, then sure I would take that guy instead.. But this guy is fine at the 4.

Love him at the 4 for a FB/PRESS, but it does depend on team composition next season.