I personally think that it would be the best business decision to scrap this whole thing and start over. I know that will never happen but it's what would be best. Fix the small things that everyone wants to happen, then focus all your time and resources on marketing and bringing in new customers instead of trying to lose the ones you have. Absolute fantasy, I can tell they are to stubborn to do that.

Note- I do like the new multi colored ratings. I do like the optimize thing, could save some time, maybe make it a tad smarter though. I like all of the preferences (another thing I think they stole for NCAA football, but if I'm remembering correctly that's from 13' not 14'). I like the new mail system where you don't have to keep opening windows.

The one thing I have seen from WIS is that no matter what the people say - they will forge ahead and if you leave - so what. I have been through GD from 1.0 to the current 3.1 over the last 6 years and the same prophecies of WIS/GD doom were expressed by the coach communities. Many veterans get disillusioned and leave. BUT - for many coaches, that provides an opening for them to assume the top dog role and they can't wait. The vacuum will be filled. New coaches who never played the old game will start and be happy with what they experience - until the next update. As with the dinosaurs - adapt or die - WIS, like time, will continue into a new epoch.

Where are these new users coming from, there isn't really much of a markating campaign going on here, and with all of the users leaving it will take a long time for equilibrium to be reached if it even happens keep in mind, it took a long time for the earth to flourish after the dinosaurs . Think of all of the money lost in the meantime, all of the money they have available for ads is about to go down. Less new users, less coaches to fill the old spots.

Monster...many of us who have been playing this game for a long time have all said the changes don't need to be that drastic. The easiest fix to the recruiting issues would simply be fixing the recruit generation to create better players across the board.

As someone said in the beta thread...take five or six vet coaches and get their input on recruit generation and you can fix the problem.

Posted by katzphang88 on 6/13/2016 11:12:00 PM (view original):
The one thing I have seen from WIS is that no matter what the people say - they will forge ahead and if you leave - so what. I have been through GD from 1.0 to the current 3.1 over the last 6 years and the same prophecies of WIS/GD doom were expressed by the coach communities. Many veterans get disillusioned and leave. BUT - for many coaches, that provides an opening for them to assume the top dog role and they can't wait. The vacuum will be filled. New coaches who never played the old game will start and be happy with what they experience - until the next update. As with the dinosaurs - adapt or die - WIS, like time, will continue into a new epoch.

Not sure if you were here before potential, but I'm pretty certain the worlds were significantly more full at the time. Another drop like that without an influx of new coaches (as has been the case already) and the game will be running on fumes. Like someone said, a few die hards and those licking their chops to become the top dog when the real top dogs have left are going to be all that's left. There will be no new influx of coaches unless WIS does some significant improvements in marketing.

I debated awhile before posting this thread. I woke up this morning regretting that I did post it. I felt and still feel like it was simply vetting my frustrations at a system that, even in though it is a Beta, appears to me to be so flawed that a div 2 or div 3 can grab any div 1 player with simply a scholarship offer and no other effort (no drop downs no pull town....and I wondered how he got the offer with no contact of any kind?)

I am assuming no matter what some customers, like me, who request for keeping the present system and fixing the problem that for years we have asked for fixes and those requests were basically ignored, IT will not happen and it is a case of my way (WIS) or the highway.

I also understand that there is a Good Number of Customers that feel the new system is a good one, or they hope that once the kinks are worked out it will be a better one than the present system. They say it is not as time consuming as I and others have found it to be. Ok, I disagree on that but perhaps it is just me and some others that find it takes more time.

I will probably keep One team and see if I adjust but at this point I don't see me changing my mind (always possible) nor spending any more money on this game. I realize that one customer less (and me in particular) is no big loss so this is not made as a threat or a silly cry for attention, it simply is a time and money allocation decision.

My recruiting is done. I was on a recruit throughout, no way to know if I am getting him at Very High, a better prestige team caught me twice at Very High... He went there. I spent all my ressources. I had three schollies, I could still get two more recruits but they will stink. I did get an ineligible international.

Posted by poncho0091 on 6/14/2016 12:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by katzphang88 on 6/13/2016 11:12:00 PM (view original):
The one thing I have seen from WIS is that no matter what the people say - they will forge ahead and if you leave - so what. I have been through GD from 1.0 to the current 3.1 over the last 6 years and the same prophecies of WIS/GD doom were expressed by the coach communities. Many veterans get disillusioned and leave. BUT - for many coaches, that provides an opening for them to assume the top dog role and they can't wait. The vacuum will be filled. New coaches who never played the old game will start and be happy with what they experience - until the next update. As with the dinosaurs - adapt or die - WIS, like time, will continue into a new epoch.

Not sure if you were here before potential, but I'm pretty certain the worlds were significantly more full at the time. Another drop like that without an influx of new coaches (as has been the case already) and the game will be running on fumes. Like someone said, a few die hards and those licking their chops to become the top dog when the real top dogs have left are going to be all that's left. There will be no new influx of coaches unless WIS does some significant improvements in marketing.

Relatively new to the travails of HD. Speaking of my GD experience and the response of WIS. Before the move from GD 1.0 to 2.0 you had to get up in the middle of the night to recruit. You picked a 4-9 team to start with and hoped you got them because they were the best team left. I went 10-3 in many seasons and was ranked in the 60's. After the switch, the worlds emptied and coaches that stayed moved up to be champions, new coaches trickled in. BUT the point is GD still happened. The same to a lesser degree with 3.0 and 3.1. Even without effects of fatigue and no injuries - GD still happens, and new coaches still trickle in. The same will happen with HD, coaches may whine, complain and threaten to cut down or go , but new coaches will slowly move in with or without marketing and HD will go on in its new form. Once the update is done it doesn't cost much to have in place and is still worth more than pulling the plug. Dinosaurs to mammals - but not the end of the worlds.

Dinosaurs are way cooler

Posted by katzphang88 on 6/13/2016 11:12:00 PM (view original):
The one thing I have seen from WIS is that no matter what the people say - they will forge ahead and if you leave - so what. I have been through GD from 1.0 to the current 3.1 over the last 6 years and the same prophecies of WIS/GD doom were expressed by the coach communities. Many veterans get disillusioned and leave. BUT - for many coaches, that provides an opening for them to assume the top dog role and they can't wait. The vacuum will be filled. New coaches who never played the old game will start and be happy with what they experience - until the next update. As with the dinosaurs - adapt or die - WIS, like time, will continue into a new epoch.

this is all well and good until you look at the world population data (forum search, world population data, i publish it somewhat regularly). there, the reality stands in stark contrast to the above. the HD coaching population has tanked over the last 4-8 years. it sounds good - i wish it were true - but its not :(

i do agree they will go forward no matter what though...

Posted by taniajane on 6/14/2016 7:06:00 AM (view original):
I debated awhile before posting this thread. I woke up this morning regretting that I did post it. I felt and still feel like it was simply vetting my frustrations at a system that, even in though it is a Beta, appears to me to be so flawed that a div 2 or div 3 can grab any div 1 player with simply a scholarship offer and no other effort (no drop downs no pull town....and I wondered how he got the offer with no contact of any kind?)

I am assuming no matter what some customers, like me, who request for keeping the present system and fixing the problem that for years we have asked for fixes and those requests were basically ignored, IT will not happen and it is a case of my way (WIS) or the highway.

I also understand that there is a Good Number of Customers that feel the new system is a good one, or they hope that once the kinks are worked out it will be a better one than the present system. They say it is not as time consuming as I and others have found it to be. Ok, I disagree on that but perhaps it is just me and some others that find it takes more time.

I will probably keep One team and see if I adjust but at this point I don't see me changing my mind (always possible) nor spending any more money on this game. I realize that one customer less (and me in particular) is no big loss so this is not made as a threat or a silly cry for attention, it simply is a time and money allocation decision.

there is not much point in continuing to argue if a garbage d1 player who is massively over ranked in a ranking system which amounts to window dressing, drops to a lower division, is really a big problem. obviously, you think it is, and i don't, and that won't change. but, i think seble is going to make an adjustment anyway, and its an easy thing to address at least partially, so i wouldn't be too upset about it until/if the time comes that he goes forward as is. and even then, you could at least see if the counter-theory to yours, that real d1 players will get picked up once coaches know what is happening, holds true. then when i am proven completely and hopelessly wrong... please, proceed :)

i am not a fan of the new system, at least not yet, but it hasn't been proven that the major issues will not be worked out, so i'm giving the seble the benefit of the doubt (which i acknowledge, he did not earn from the last major release) until proven otherwise. it just seems fair to me... like the right thing to do in good faith. seble is working hard on this, hes TRYING to listen and help, even though he might destroy the whole game... but hes trying. his situation sucks there, the WIS bosses are idiots who probably should be killed. so, i think we owe it to him to give him another chance at this time.