Posted by Benis on 11/5/2016 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by getbedarded on 11/5/2016 5:13:00 PM (view original):
Also way less players should sign in the first session. Players just don't sign early in those numbers in reality.

Your response saying that this situation is what happens in real life. This game isn't real life. Yes, it's simulating it to an extent but there are so many things that aren't like real life that it's really not a good excuse when someone has a problem with something in the game. IMHO

Edit- oops, I quoted the wrong comment.

I don't think it is an excuse. This is an example of whatif actually simulating reality (first recruiting classes for new coaches are usually below average for said coach). Maybe it's swung too far and is too difficult (which is why I said previously contacted recruits should "follow" tarvolon to Tennessee).

I wasn't making an excuse, and I wasn't telling tarvolon to "deal with it". I agree whatif does a poor job in some areas (why do we not have defensive matchups yet?!?!), but I think this is actually closer to reality, with some improvements necessary.

I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

Posted by ftbeaglesfan on 11/5/2016 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

+1
Another guy gets it.

"2nd session is completely broken" ... except it isn't.

Posted by ftbeaglesfan on 11/5/2016 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

Which school eagles?

Posted by ftbeaglesfan on 11/5/2016 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly.

Have you been reading the forums? You do realize that IS the plan for most coaches but the LATE recruits are signing with other teams BEFORE you can get considered. The players left over after that are not "A/B+" prestige caliber players.

For coaches who don"t prepare backups in the first recruiting session, " LATE recruits are signing with other teams BEFORE you can get considered." Do you think eventually those coaches will catch on? I think some will, some won't; it won't be easy. Do you think some of the coaches who don't catch on will blame the game? Oh, absolutely, long and loud.

Have you tried this approach Spudhole? Have you tried to allocate APs towards the fierce battles you are fighting for session #1 recruits while also trying to find enough APs to spare for session #2 recruits? And when you have players in DIFFERENT positions who COULD go EE, how do you decide which backups to attack?

When you have successfully done this please share your comments. Until then the forum community would appreciate you just shutting the F up.

Posted by ftbeaglesfan on 11/5/2016 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

What do you think I did?

I focused all my AP into two players, both players I had been battling for at New Mexico and had good reason to believe wouldn't take a lot to win. Both signed with other schools before I unlocked any monetary actions.

You can find some quality scraps when you're at a D+ school. But you can't sign BCS quality players with nothing but the second cycle to work with unless you get a healthy dose of dumb luck. There's no strategy that even makes it likely, let alone probable, that you can get someone decent.

Many of these coaches (like Tarv) are not only DI coaches but also DII/DIII coaches. They are skilled and intelligent. They just don't understand "2.0", they understand general game mechanics. If there was a way to make up for the 3.0 DI EE failures they would have figured it out by now.

Posted by mullycj on 11/6/2016 5:14:00 PM (view original):
Many of these coaches (like Tarv) are not only DI coaches but also DII/DIII coaches. They are skilled and intelligent. They just don't understand "2.0", they understand general game mechanics. If there was a way to make up for the 3.0 DI EE failures they would have figured it out by now.

And at D2, it can absolutely be done--at least with the worlds as empty as they are now, enough players fall through the cracks. At high D1, not without dumb luck. And I genuinely think this is easily fixable--add another day to session 2 between the beginning of the AP processing and the beginning of session 2 signings.

Posted by ftbeaglesfan on 11/5/2016 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

Actually you are wrong.
There are few top level players left by then... and the ones left already have teams after them and little time left.
I think you'd probably be fine at d 3 d2 or low d1, but anything above a C prestige is going to have a hard time finding anyone, reguardless of the resources available, in that second session.
I had 5 openings and A+ and there were probably 5 total players in all of D1 three star or better I had any chance at. And all five required major battles, which a late entry to these battles had little to no chance on.

Posted by CoachSpud on 11/6/2016 9:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ftbeaglesfan on 11/5/2016 9:59:00 PM (view original):
I took over a D1 school with 6 openings and only one player recruited by the Sim. I filled 5 of those openings. That was with a D+ prestige school.

If I were to take over an A or B prestige school in the same position (only 2nd recruiting cycle to use and 6 openings) I would have focused all my AP and money on getting maybe 3 top players and wait to see what opens up closer to the end when it takes little AP to open up Scholly. Some higher prestige teams fill their roster and still have 1-2 decent recruits that they are still listed very high on. Those players can be snapped up easily by high prestige teams looking to fill out a roster from EE losses.

+1
Another guy gets it.

"2nd session is completely broken" ... except it isn't.

The fact that there are literally two people who you feel "get it" shows that you are clearly in an alternate universe.

Its hard to "allocate resources" in the first cycle when you have no resources to adequately allocate. But you go back to your alternate universe and be the ruler of that odd place. Fine w me,

Posted by mullycj on 11/6/2016 3:09:00 PM (view original):
Have you tried this approach Spudhole? Have you tried to allocate APs towards the fierce battles you are fighting for session #1 recruits while also trying to find enough APs to spare for session #2 recruits? And when you have players in DIFFERENT positions who COULD go EE, how do you decide which backups to attack?

When you have successfully done this please share your comments. Until then the forum community would appreciate you just shutting the F up.

+1 it's impossible... Get back up after losing two battles... I am now trying to get B players not even what a Big Six team wants Spud.. Still in session 1... Second recruiting season lost, the system needs some fixing.

Posted by tarvolon on 11/6/2016 5:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 11/6/2016 5:14:00 PM (view original):
Many of these coaches (like Tarv) are not only DI coaches but also DII/DIII coaches. They are skilled and intelligent. They just don't understand "2.0", they understand general game mechanics. If there was a way to make up for the 3.0 DI EE failures they would have figured it out by now.

And at D2, it can absolutely be done--at least with the worlds as empty as they are now, enough players fall through the cracks. At high D1, not without dumb luck. And I genuinely think this is easily fixable--add another day to session 2 between the beginning of the AP processing and the beginning of session 2 signings.

Exactly. It's a bit similar to when you lose battles that needed all-in cash. The system prevents you from getting anything, it's too late or you haven't discovered the hidden gems or the cash you spent dooms you. I experienced it two seasons in a row. And in D1, unless I am getting a monster scorer... Going under 75 Ath and def (once the player us fully develops) is not really bright.

Spud is looking at this from the perspective of someone at a bad school, so yes, you can fill those spots, because you're not looking for BCS caliber players. This same argument applies to anyone commenting from DII and DIII schools. The guys that spud thinks just "get it" are from this same demographic, so actually spud, they might not "get it".