You are wasting a ton of minutes....

I do like 3-7 as a freshmen and 0 So-Sr.

Really?! I do 10 with freshman. And half the time when i get my mid term, i got yellow lines for most of them. I have 3 freshman on one team now. At mid term, 2 of them were yellowed. All 3 of them had 10 min each

Yeah this is currently how my Mississippi team is set up

Year	Minutes	GPA	HS GPA
FR	3	3.2	INT
FR	12	2.1	2.0 (was ineligble)
SR	3	2.1	Dude's an idiot
FR	9	2.4	INT
FR	3	2.6	3.16
FR	4	3.1	3.1

Posted by Trentonjoe on 3/23/2018 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Yeah this is currently how my Mississippi team is set up

Year	Minutes	GPA	HS GPA
FR	3	3.2	INT
FR	12	2.1	2.0 (was ineligble)
SR	3	2.1	Dude's an idiot
FR	9	2.4	INT
FR	3	2.6	3.16
FR	4	3.1	3.1

Sorry, maybe I’m that idiot senior on your team, and I need more study hall minutes.... but what is INT?

International, there hs gpa doesn't show up on the player page.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 3/23/2018 8:15:00 PM (view original):
International, there hs gpa doesn't show up on the player page.

Wow. I’m aware of that. Just didn’t know what INT meant to this discussion at first. topdogggbm.... SH... 25 min

Several seasons ago I was messaging with a really good coach (chapelhillne I think) about how I run my practice minutes for a combo defense, and he really opened my eyes about SH practice time. I was always keeping my players at 3.0+ to be safe, and he explained his success aiming for 2.3ish.....I found I was wasting 3-5 minutes on each player, and when I aimed for the 2.3ish range instead I really found it a huge bonus having those extra minutes for skills--especially with my combo defense. I start all freshman at 7, and then adjust down after the midterm. Except for the occasional dunce, most are at 3-4 by the second semester, 1 after the first semester of sophomore year, and 0 after that. It was some of the best advice I have gotten IMHO (again, especially for running a combo defense where practice minutes are scarce).

Good deal. I just can’t see any way that I could be comfortable that low. I’ve tinkered with the numbers a little after discussing this with TJoe in this thread, but obviously not enough time to see results. It just doesn’t seem to make logical sense to me if I have a freshman at 10 and the very first mid-term comes, and his gpa is at 2.4 or something. And that’s with 10 minutes. It’s hard for me to see that, and have a thought of “hey, he’s borderline failing with 10 minutes. How bout I lower it to 6 minutes instead?” and expect him not to flunk.

But I’m paying attention and I’ll experiment. Appreciate the advice

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/23/2018 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Good deal. I just can’t see any way that I could be comfortable that low. I’ve tinkered with the numbers a little after discussing this with TJoe in this thread, but obviously not enough time to see results. It just doesn’t seem to make logical sense to me if I have a freshman at 10 and the very first mid-term comes, and his gpa is at 2.4 or something. And that’s with 10 minutes. It’s hard for me to see that, and have a thought of “hey, he’s borderline failing with 10 minutes. How bout I lower it to 6 minutes instead?” and expect him not to flunk.

But I’m paying attention and I’ll experiment. Appreciate the advice

I think your example of a freshman at 2.4 at midterms with 10 min in SH falls into my "occasional dunce" category. I agree completely, you don't drop that guy to 6 (I would drop him to 9, maybe 8 however). One thing to consider is by starting your freshman lower (If high school GPA is >2.8, I start at 7, >3, I start at 6) you can always easily bump them back up after the midterm if they are at or below the 2.0 cutoff. Adding in 3-4 Min for a player struggling in the classroom almost always see a big corresponding bump at the end of the term. Anecdotally, in my 100+ seasons I have only had one player become academically ineligible, and that was in my 3rd or 4th season when I forgot to click "save changes" after altering the practice plan following midterms.

I use 2.7 HS gpa =7 minutes of sh.

each .1 up or down I adjust one minute, Although I never start with more than 10

Full disclosure, lose a guy every 30 seasons or so.

Posted by snafu4u on 3/24/2018 9:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/23/2018 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Good deal. I just can’t see any way that I could be comfortable that low. I’ve tinkered with the numbers a little after discussing this with TJoe in this thread, but obviously not enough time to see results. It just doesn’t seem to make logical sense to me if I have a freshman at 10 and the very first mid-term comes, and his gpa is at 2.4 or something. And that’s with 10 minutes. It’s hard for me to see that, and have a thought of “hey, he’s borderline failing with 10 minutes. How bout I lower it to 6 minutes instead?” and expect him not to flunk.

But I’m paying attention and I’ll experiment. Appreciate the advice

I think your example of a freshman at 2.4 at midterms with 10 min in SH falls into my "occasional dunce" category. I agree completely, you don't drop that guy to 6 (I would drop him to 9, maybe 8 however). One thing to consider is by starting your freshman lower (If high school GPA is >2.8, I start at 7, >3, I start at 6) you can always easily bump them back up after the midterm if they are at or below the 2.0 cutoff. Adding in 3-4 Min for a player struggling in the classroom almost always see a big corresponding bump at the end of the term. Anecdotally, in my 100+ seasons I have only had one player become academically ineligible, and that was in my 3rd or 4th season when I forgot to click "save changes" after altering the practice plan following midterms.

It’s odd to me that your “occasional dunce” situation only happens occasionally. Because for me, it’s consistent. And apparently I’ve been using even more minutes than others. Now, I’ll admit, I’ve never had issues outside of freshman year (obviously because I’m over doing it). But say for example a frosh has 2.6 at midterms with 10 minutes. There’s nothing about that to me that says, ok i aim high, and with that in mind, lowering is now a great idea.

I know I'm repeating myself, but I’m just pointing out how to me that doesn’t make sense logically. However, if you more experienced coaches are saying it’s ok, I’ll try it. And if I lose a guy, I’ll come here and cry and start a retirement thread and I’ll tell you how bad 3.0 sucks..... kidding!

"But say for example a frosh has 2.6 at midterms with 10 minutes. There’s nothing about that to me that says, ok i aim high, and with that in mind, lowering is now a great idea.

I know I'm repeating myself, but I’m just pointing out how to me that doesn’t make sense logically. "

It makes sense to me. They don't need a 2.6, they only need a 2.0. You are giving him more minutes than he needs.

I get that. But what I’m saying is that by giving him 10 min gives him a 2.6. I would think giving him 5 min (from the start), COULD give him as low as 1.3, even tho I know it doesn’t work that way. But that is what I mean by my comment.

I’m ok with dropping the minutes as I’ve learned from you guys that I’m using to many. But I’m not comfortable with letting all my guys pass with just a 2.1 and sweating every time grades come out. I’d rather just adjust slightly at the moment and keep my guys closer to 2.5 than 2.0, even if it’s still a waste of a minute or two. It’s progress in the right direction. I just personally don’t want to play with fire immediately. I’ll dial back. And I’ll take note of progress. And I really do appreciate the info.

"keep my guys closer to 2.5 than 2.0" Same here. I tend to have a role for eleven or even all 12 of my rostered players, so losing one would potentially be a problem (not that I am an accomplished game planner, far from it).