8) I am always confused on this. Is net neutrality when I search for say "cats" Google directs me to where Google wants me to go or is it neutral? And was he for Google directing me or against?

Wait, do you really not understand net neutrality?

Posted by bad_luck on 8/15/2018 6:36:00 PM (view original):

8) I am always confused on this. Is net neutrality when I search for say "cats" Google directs me to where Google wants me to go or is it neutral? And was he for Google directing me or against?

Wait, do you really not understand net neutrality?

I just said I always get it confused. Is English your second language too?

Posted by tangplay on 8/15/2018 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/15/2018 6:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/15/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
You changed your list. Anyway I am going to address this like miami addressed mine.

Things I agree with:
#1) Historic debt levels
#3) Russia growing in strength (took Crimea without any resistance)
#9) ACA was more expensive than portrayed and people in states such as AZ were not happy.

Question/This isn't his fault:
#7) Massive rise in tuition costs
Tuition costs have been rising even before Obama was in office. Under Obama the rise ticked up slightly. It's still rising. What did Obama do specifically to cause this?
#10) Rise of BLM, which is one example of a divide in race relations.
We have always had a divide in race relations. I don't see what Obama could have done to prevent this.

Totally disagree with:
#4) US being friendlier to Iran than Israel
This isn't true. Obama saw Israel as an ally and Iran as a threat.
#6) Iran mocking our military and us apologizing to them and then Benghazi.
Benghazi wasn't our fault and we spent 700 billion on it. Obama raised it significantly, which I did not like.
#8) Gov't telling people that they won't butt into gender identity or same sex marriage but will tell small business owners how much they have to pay their employees = critical supreme court nominations coming.
Are you complaining about minimum wage? Look I don't want to raise the minimum wage, but we need to have a minimum wage. And you are seriously saying this is on Obama? Did Obama create gay people? Did Obama create transgender people? Did Obama create the minimum wage? Trump ain't taking away the minimum wage and if he does, Republicans are going to take a huge hit.

I'm not going to touch the economic ones. Anyway IMO Obama wasn't perfect, but wasn't bad either. He would be a B/B- pres for me. Trump so far is in the D+/C- range. Maybe up to C+ if I cared about the economy more.

Things I liked:

1. Passed healthcare reform
2. Economy slowly recovered
3. Iran deal
4. At least did something about climate change
5. Organized the death of Osama bin Ladin
6. Helped us Auto, saved 2.5 million jobs
7. Banned policies allowing torture
8. Net Neutrality
9. Better global image
10. Decreased the prison population who were criminalized by drugs
11. Environmental protections
12. More efficient energy
13. Less veteran homelessness
14. Restricted government surveillance
15. Cracked down on For-Profit colleges
16. Cut the deficit
17. Better school nutrition (albeit that was his wife)
18. Reduced discrimination of former prisoners in hiring
19. Expanded internet coverage
20. Better food safety
21. No serious scandals
22. A decent all-around person, from what I have heard

1) ACA was not good. Sorry.
2) To point as he kept rates artificially high, worst GDP performance when compared to all other Presidents. He did inherit a **** storm from idiot Bush.
3) HATE IT. That evil regime just took that $$ to fund Hamas and Hezbollah.
4) I am neutral. What did he do?
5) Yes. Very good.
6) What?
7) Eh...I think that still happens.
8) I am always confused on this. Is net neutrality when I search for say "cats" Google directs me to where Google wants me to go or is it neutral? And was he for Google directing me or against?
9) I disagree 100%. Maybe weaker global image? See NK, Iran and Russia running wild. Rise of Isis.
10) Eh? That needs to be revamped. Not sure how I feel about this. I wish he did more to stop the drugs from coming in. He did try. I'll give you this one.
11) You already mentioned this? What do you mean?
12) Solyndra? FAIL. IDK.
13) Vets seemed to dislike him. I don't know enough. Some sources say yes he did, others say no. Which news is real?
14) Except for when it came to his adversaries? What do you mean?
15) He did? Tuition was never higher than under him.
16) He was not strong economically. Come on.
17) LOL - OK
18) Eh? IDK Not critical to me.
19) ???? OK
20) ???? OK
21) Benghazi? But OK
22) Agreed. I'd have a beer with him.

We just have different expectations of our leaders and thats fine. I actually have taken a step back. When I was 24 I was much more left than you were.

1. Better than what we had before
2. He did. The economy was OK from what I can tell.
3. And they didn't have nukes. Remember you originally didn't have an opinion till Mr. Shapiro chimed in.
4. Paris climate accord, numerous regulations, and at least ADDRESSED it as an issue.
6. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/sep/06/did-obama-save-us-automobile-industry/
7. Even if it does, it happens MUCH less than under Bush. Bush was terrible about that.
8. No, it's saying that companies like AT&T and Verizon can't restrict or slow down sites that they don't like and make us pay to just access sites like YouTube.
9. I mean among our ALLIES. Israel is one too but just in general. We have more allies than just Israel. Israel isn't even our #1 ally IMO.
10. I mean, you are the one saying to criminalize drugs less so you should love that he did this.
11. There's climate change and there's environmental protections. Obama addressed climate change (kinda) and also addressed the environment.
12. You don't think the Obama era took a step in the right direction?
13. They seemed to? IDK. Even if they didn't, less of them were homeless. That's a positive.
14. Uhh, what? Bush cracked up the surveillance and Obama reversed some of those policies. He didn't spy on Trump, are you ******* kidding me?
15. For-Profit colleges and tuition aren't the same thing. And yes, he did.
16. Was the deficit lower on Jan. 20, 2009 or on Jan 20. 2017?
17. I mean, it's true. As someone who was in school at the time of this happening and could actually observe the effects, it made a difference.
18. Civil rights is pretty high on my list.
19. More people had access to internet after Obama left than before, and Obama took steps to make sure this happened.
20. Obama established regulations to make sure that the food we consume is safe to eat.
21. Benghazi was as big a scandal to Obama as 9/11 was to Bush. At this point any 'scandal' about Benghazi is just a conspiracy theory. It's been examined to death. Let it go.

#1) We'll need to agree to disagree. I will say that I think the current insurance practices are not good. I wish we could pick our own like we do with cars instead of going through the employer. That is how it was before the 80s and the tech revolution. I believe. I am OK with nationalizing it too but the ACA is not a good solution IMO. We'll agree to disagree.
#2) Eh...we had stagnation in wages. Low debt rates kept it afloat but it didn't really grow. I did not think he was aggressive enough to get us out of the rut.
#3) They still don't. They extorted him. We probably won't agree here. I think what Trump is doing is the way to deal with them.
#4) Not a hot button for me. I understand if it is for you.
#6) The auto industry was in trouble IDK?
#7) Not a hot button for me, I understand your POV. Bush was an idiot. On par with bad luck.
#8) Thank you. Thats right.
#9) I guess. I am not a fan of wussy France and Germany. We probably won't agree here.
#10) Legalization would be fantastic. Agreed!
#11) Not a hot button for me. Perhaps it should be?
#12) Eh? IDK. It is a natural progression but still highly complex. I am actually working with a company now to simplify it. Stay tuned.
#13) I will give you this one only because I want to believe its true. For some reason many vets supported Trump. Something made them unhappy.
#14) He actually did. FISA warrant and stuff? No? Maybe I am mistaken.
#15) Examples?
#16) Our debt was out of control, our rates artificially low, wage stagnation, I am not thrilled with his economic plan.
#17) I believe you
#18) I hear you
#19) OK
#20) OK Good
#21) The soldiers who survived vilified him and HRC. Bush was an idiot. We both agree here.

I am still not forgiving the Palestinian flag flying at the DNC...

#2) Eh...we had stagnation in wages. Low debt rates kept it afloat but it didn't really grow. I did not think he was aggressive enough to get us out of the rut.

Was the economy better before or after he left office?

#4) Not a hot button for me. I understand if it is for you.

It is a VERY hot button issue for me. OK, all I want you to do is agree that Scott Pruitt is a terrible choice for EPA.

#6) The auto industry was in trouble IDK?

Yes it was.

#7) Not a hot button for me, I understand your POV. Bush was an idiot. On par with bad luck.

People not getting tortured isn't a hot button issue for you? OK lol (Sarcasm)

#8) Thank you. Thats right.

OK so do you agree that net neutrality is a good thing?

#10) Legalization would be fantastic. Agreed!

Well he didn't legalize, but what did achieved a similar effect, by releasing from prison tons of people who were criminalized by it.

#11) Not a hot button for me. Perhaps it should be?

I can't force you to care about anything. All I can say is that I believe we need to protect the earth so future generations can prosper and continue to live here.

#12) Eh? IDK. It is a natural progression but still highly complex. I am actually working with a company now to simplify it. Stay tuned.

A really hot button issue for me is companies like the Koch brothers, who essentially run towns where I live. An energy company right outside of my city created a regulation that prevents people from easily using solar power and monitors science textbooks to not mention negative effects of fracking, non renewable energy, and global warming. ****** me of.

#14) He actually did. FISA warrant and stuff? No? Maybe I am mistaken.

I think you are absorbing too much Hannity stuff. Obama didn't spy on Trump. There is zero evidence that he did.

#15) Examples?

Obama passed the gainful employment rule, which essentially says that for profit colleges have to monitor the success of graduates in the workforce, and programs that have very low rates of success will be shut down.

#16) Our debt was out of control, our rates artificially low, wage stagnation, I am not thrilled with his economic plan.

You didn't answer my question. Was the deficit lower on Jan. 20, 2009 or on Jan 20. 2017?

#21) The soldiers who survived vilified him and HRC. Bush was an idiot. We both agree here.

I don't remember that part, pretty sure that was Fox bullshit. Also my point wasn't that Bush was an idiot, even though he was, my point was that crazies say that Bush knew about 9/11 and still let it happen. If you think Benghazi was a major scandal on Obama, 9/11 also was on Bush. So was last year's hurricanes on Trump.

I am still not forgiving the Palestinian flag flying at the DNC...

You don't have to. All I am trying to say is that you should blame the individual person who flew it, not the DNC as a whole. And I will agree with you in disliking that.

#2) It was lower but he came in when we were in a disaster. In his 8 years he didn't do anything to improve revenue generation and spent frivolously. The economy could not have gone anywhere but up as he came in at the lowest point.
#4) IDK enough about it to opine. Not a hot button for me.
#6) I disagree. I am in finance and it was fine.
#7) No because it is our enemies being tortured to save American lives.
#8) Yes
#10) I don't want druggies running around. Just creates more demand for illegals to come here with drugs.
#11) China, India are killing the Earth not the US
#12) Oil companies are holding back energy alternatives. I like solar, wind and anything else that is clean.
#14) I reserve judgment something is rotten at the FBI.
#15) Eh? IDK. There are no restrictions on college loans. Giving a music major $200k in debt is stupid. That person likely has little to no chance to pay it back.
#16) I am talking about the economy in the private sector. It is thriving under Trump. Obama was not business friendly. Why are you so obsessed with the deficit? That is not the only measure.
#21) It was from actual interviews with them? Not even on Fox???

I am blaming them for not vilifying it. NO FOREIGN FLAGS SHOULD FLY AT EITHER CONVENTION. Especially when a US state flag is banned.

2. I'm no economic expert so I guess to each his own.
6. If Obama hadn't intervened 2.5 million jobs would have been lost.
7. Yeah except torture hasn't been proven to work.
10. You just said to legalize it?
11. Of course they are doing more, but so are we. And even if they are, who cares? We don't control them. We control us.
12. That's what I just said.
14. Fine, it's great to reserve doubt, but remember innocence until proven guilty.
15. For profit colleges give MUCH more debt than regular colleges.
16. You STILL didn't answer the question. Was the deficit lower on Jan. 20, 2009 or on Jan 20. 2017? And is the deficit being lower a good thing?
21. OK so link to them.

What would vilifying it look like? I cannot find a single example of Trump vilifying it, and I have looked very hard. The only sites I can find talking about it are Breitbart and tons of Israeli sites.

So the Israeli flag shouldn't fly? Or let's say Iran declares war on one of our allies. We shouldn't fly that countries flag as a showing of support?

#2) Except the economy is usually the #1 leading indicatior of how people vote.
#6) I disagree 100%. I asked our auto finance guys here and they say NFW. They are like you btw...Leftists.
#7) We don't know that. I am sure the CIA keeps that stuff confidential. If it didn't work I would guess they would have stopped using it. It did work against Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
#10) If it is legal, it is manufactured and taxed here. I am OK with that. I am not OK with it being smuggled in.
#11) I am saying we are pretty green friendly already.
#12) We are on the same page don't get so defensive
#14) Except people like bad luck already find Trump guilty. Cannot have it both ways.
#15) The colleges don't give debt, finance companies or gov't agencies do. Private colleges may give higher partial scholarships.
#16) 2009 was the very bottom. Imagine if I start working out of college making $19k/yr. In 8 years I make $30k. That number is way too low but still higher than the $19k. It was higher than 2007 and then the great recession hit. Bush was an idiot we agree there. But Obama was not a business friendly President. If you combine the 8 years, Obama's deficit was higher than that of Bush.
#21) Google "Benghazi Survivors interviews"....there is a lot of data.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/buzz/benghazi-attack-survivor-dnc-denounce-hillary-clinton/wGhsYvZTDfLxtUm5FHwRHO/
https://nypost.com/2016/01/09/we-were-left-behind-the-benghazi-soldiers-tell-all/
#22) In one of his speeches he said it was embarrassing. IMO we should not fly any foreign country flag at our conventions. Only the US. We should also not ban state flags. If the Dems came out and stated that the people flying the Palestinian flag are not at all affilicated with the DNC and the party does not support their actions it would have been enough for me to vote blue again.

2. Well that's pretty sad then that Trump has a great economy and still has 42% approval. Perhaps a sign of how people judge the rest of his actions.
6. What did you ask them? Here is Wikipedia:

The Automotive industry crisis of 2008–10 happened when the Big Three were in weak financial condition and the beginning of an economic recession, and the financial crisis resulted in the automakers looking to the federal government for help. Ford was in the best position, as under new CEO Alan Mulally they had fortuitously raised $23 billion in cash in 2006 by mortgaging most of their assets. Chrysler, purchased in 2007 by a private equity firm, had weak financial backing, was the most heavily dependent on light truck sales, and had few new products in their pipeline. General Motors was highly leveraged, also heavily dependent on light truck sales, and burdened by high health care costs.^[32]

The CEOs of the Big Three requested government aid in November 2008, but sentiment in Congress was against the automakers, especially after it was revealed that they had flown to Washington D.C. on their private corporate jets. In December 2008, President Bush gave $17.4 billion to GM and Chrysler from the Troubled Asset Relief Program as temporary relief for their cash flow problems. Several months later, President Obama formed the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry to decide how to handle GM and Chrysler. Chrysler received a total of $12.5 billion in TARP funds and entered Chapter 11 bankruptcy in April 2009.

7. Yes, we do. People have studied it.
10. OK I agree with that but I didn't say anything about smuggling? Anyway we both agree that this is a good thing.
11. We can do more?
14. Am I BL?
15. I mean that people who go to For-Profit colleges have way more debt than regular college.
16. What do you mean 'if you combine the 8 years'? Look I said I won't debate economics but lowering the deficit is a thing Obama did, and it is a good thing.
21. OK so the first article is about Hillary Clinton, who BTW was investigated multiple times and NOTHING was found. And the second one specifically supports my argument because it says that the people didn't blame anyone and wanted it to remain apolitical, but of course Fox News ruined that. Seems like Obama comes off without a scratch here.
22. Usually when Trump says something in a speech someone writes an article about it, but I cannot find ANYTHING about it online. That's a fair opinion, but the Dems didn't ban a state flag. Also I agree that the Dems should have done that but at this point that time has come and gone. And it's fairly obvious that the only affiliation the person flying the flag at the DNC had with them was being a democrat.

#2) On some polls. As I said I don't trust that data. I have never been polled. Polls also said he had no chance to achieve 270 electoral votes. He got 306.
#6) The bailouts were going to happen no matter what. That was not because of Obama. Neither was TARP for Banks.
#7) Again opinions differ. Khalid Sheik Mohammed gave up details post torture. I am not sure why you're pounding your fist here. People will never divuldge if it truly works. It is a secretive military tactic.
#10) Yeah, this is not the crux of our debate.
#11) Everyone can always do more. That is not a primary objective of voters sans a select few.
#14) No but you know what I mean.
#15) Of course because the tuition is higher. Also many times those are better schools.
#16) Combine the deficits and add them together. Obama was worse.
#21) You need to watch the YouTube videos. She was his Secy of State. She didn't answer the call to send reinforcements. Agree to disagree? IDK? Many voters did blame BHO and HRC. You don't. That is fine.
#22) Still the optics look bad and do you honestly believe I am the only person who feels this way? My dad told me in his temple the vast majority feels the way I do. Those that did not, thought he was lying until he showed them the pictures. Do you feel as though I am on an Island here?

2. Polls can't measure electoral votes. The polls were actually spot on. Hillary won the popular vote.
6. Yes but Obama did it, so that's a good thing. But I see your point.
7. Do you think we should torture people? Let's say it has a 10% success rate. It also costs us a ton of money.
11. Well it is a primary objective of mine.
14. Right but you can't call hypocrisy on me for being a democrat with a different opinion from another democrat. That's like calling you a hypocrite for being pro choice while many other conservatives are pro life.
15. We agree. So again, agreed that this regulation is a good thing?
16. What do you mean 'combine the deficit'?
21. Right but I will agree with the Republican investigation that found nothing. Even Fox backtracked after that. It wasn't a major scandal. We can always speculate about what could have been done. Hindsight is 20/20.
22. Of course the optics look bad. We agree. I think there wasn't as much outrage as you say in America, as 70% of Jews voted for HRC. However, there was significant outrage, and the optics are bad. Is it enough to boycott the Dems? I don't think so. I think more Jews agree with me than agree with you.

Here is what we have agreed upon so far:

1. At least did something about climate change
2. Organized the death of Osama bin Ladin
3. Helped us Auto, saved 2.5 million jobs
4. Banned policies allowing torture
5. Net Neutrality
6. Decreased the prison population who were criminalized by drugs
7. Environmental protections
8. More efficient energy
9. Less veteran homelessness
10. Restricted government surveillance
11. Cracked down on For-Profit colleges
12. Cut the deficit
13. Better school nutrition (albeit that was his wife)
14. Reduced discrimination of former prisoners in hiring
15. Expanded internet coverage
16. Better food safety
17. No serious scandals
18. A decent all-around person, from what I have heard

2. She won because of NY and Cali. Come on. Don't play this. No poll showed Trump winning how he did.
3. It started with the Treasury Dept. It wa already in process when he came in. We obviously won't agree here but its funny how you state you don't know finance but you give BHO all the credit here.
7. IDK. I leave that up to the experts in the CIA. I guess it depends on how badly you need the info. If it can save millions of lives. Yes.
11. I think that is very nice and idealistic for you. I was the same way at your age.
14. I am not a conservative. I also think the 2nd amendment should be amended. I am an independent. Well now that I will never vote blue again I guess I am begrudginly a Republican? IDK.
15. I need to learn more about it. I think college tuition is off the rails.
16. Add all the 8 years of Obama and compare to the 8 years of Bush.
21. Based on military experts it was a disaster. I am not saying Obama did anything illegal. He just F*CKED up the whole matter. We should have never been there.
22. Maybe but if they lost say 25% of Jewish voters, that is still something. Those million votes or so could hurt. Also many Jews were not aware of this. I was not until after the election for example.

2. Yes, polls take into account NY and Cali? They are states. lol.
6. I give him the credit because he enacted the plan, but whatever.
7. Well then I disagree with you because I don't think the risk/reward is very good. There are other ways of getting info that aren't torture.
11. And now that you are older you just think, "aw, **** the environment". lol
14. If you never vote blue and you pledge support for Trump you are a Republican.
15. Fair enough. Trump might repeal it so whatever.
16. What are we adding? Like give me examples.
21. It was our embassy, so why wouldn't we have been there. Are you saying we should not have embassies?
22. Many Jews are still probably not aware. At absolute worst Dems will get 60% of the Jewish vote.

Fox News had to disable comments on it's Aretha Franklin story. Too many vile, racist comments from the Deplorables.

3. Yes but this is why we have the electoral college.
6. "HE" no he did not.
7. We don't know because we are not military or para military personnel.
11. No, I just see that we are doing a lot more now than we did 20 years ago when I had your views. Like we recycle weekly, etc. we have made progress. Don't be a dick.
14. I may vote 3rd party. I really don't like the religous stance of the Red or their ultra devotion to the 2nd amendment and I am pro choice, although I see how many are pro life. I am actually like a lot of Dem policies and ideas but I cannot forgive them for the Palestinian flag at the DNC. I know its my problem, not theirs.
15. OK
16. Add years 08-16 and then add years of 00-07 and see what number is bigger. Add the deficits.
21. Because everyone else already left (all other western countries). Yes, no need for an embassy in a highly unstable country that is anti west.
22. I am trying to make them aware as much as I can. I have personally converted over 100 myself. Honestly.