Posted by shoe3 on 7/2/2019 1:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 7/1/2019 10:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 7/1/2019 10:01:00 PM (view original):
Insane no one challenged you on Hanson, who wants rebuild. Perfect opportunity for a nearby mid major or big 6 bottom-dweller to get a program changer. A lot of folks just aren’t trying very hard, apparently.

I've noticed that too. A few seasons ago -- I don't remember which world -- the top recruit had just Sims on for two cycles. In those cases, I think everyone assumes these recruits are going to be loaded with coaches so they don't even try initially.

There are reasons people sometimes don’t want to fight to the death for the top guys. As we see here, these guys are often pretty obviously going to be at high risk of leaving after a couple seasons (possibly fewer), and a lot of players are going to prefer to save their resources for fights over 3-4 year players instead. But when they’re going unchallenged, that should signal to coaches that they are abdicating a lot of power to the top. An elite guy still has a ton of value, even if he leaves after 2 seasons, and even if it’s a headache to replace.

This is why it’s a good idea to comb through the top recruits every few cycles, or color code them to watch how battles play out. Some of these guys get taken every season for peanuts, because not many are really challenging for them.

+1

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/2/2019 4:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/1/2019 11:48:00 PM (view original):
We need to get seble to have Williams stay 4 years to see what mrslam can do with him haha. On my end, I think Hanson could average 25 ppg w greater than 1 Point per possession in his unlikely (read impossible) senior year.

On a separate note, before everyone here quits the game they need to sign at least one guy with 280-300 ath + per + lp; its absolutely preposterous. Hanson has crazy BH,PA,SP to go with it while Williams literally has everything but crazy speed. Imagine having a player whos biggest weakness by far is being a 75 speed SF. In a normal year Hanson would be by far the gem of the whole class but he is absolutely put to shame this year.

Also, Williams is probably going to be the 1st player I've ever seen who would be the best PG,SG,SF,PF, and C in the country at once. If he doesn't go one and done.

everyone needs to sign at least one guy with 280-300 ath + per + lp, so they can see how overrated they are!

the problem with these guys is that they just aren't any better offensively than strong scorers who don't have such high lp + per, and in many cases, are objectively worse (comparing them in their same season - not even factoring in EEs). you end up over paying for offense that often isn't even elite, either they leave super early because their ratings are so lofty, or they suck on D/reb/etc. relative to other players who would rank similarly on the EE board.

I think high LP/Per guys are overvalued on the draft board and increases chance of going EE. It's risky.

I've gotten a bit lucky that this guy stuck around for three seasons. I guess the beginning numbers couldn't grow into a guy that would leave after two.
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/RatingsHistory.aspx?tid=4221&pid=4184148

He's turned into a guy that could easily average 25 a game if he got more distro.
If he had the chance to max out he'd end up at 100ATH, 100LP, 100PER, 100BH

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/1/2019 11:48:00 PM (view original):
We need to get seble to have Williams stay 4 years to see what mrslam can do with him haha. On my end, I think Hanson could average 25 ppg w greater than 1 Point per possession in his unlikely (read impossible) senior year.

On a separate note, before everyone here quits the game they need to sign at least one guy with 280-300 ath + per + lp; its absolutely preposterous. Hanson has crazy BH,PA,SP to go with it while Williams literally has everything but crazy speed. Imagine having a player whos biggest weakness by far is being a 75 speed SF. In a normal year Hanson would be by far the gem of the whole class but he is absolutely put to shame this year.

Also, Williams is probably going to be the 1st player I've ever seen who would be the best PG,SG,SF,PF, and C in the country at once. If he doesn't go one and done.

Without looking, I highly doubt that a maxed-out Williams would be the best PG in the country.

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/3/2019 12:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/1/2019 11:48:00 PM (view original):
We need to get seble to have Williams stay 4 years to see what mrslam can do with him haha. On my end, I think Hanson could average 25 ppg w greater than 1 Point per possession in his unlikely (read impossible) senior year.

On a separate note, before everyone here quits the game they need to sign at least one guy with 280-300 ath + per + lp; its absolutely preposterous. Hanson has crazy BH,PA,SP to go with it while Williams literally has everything but crazy speed. Imagine having a player whos biggest weakness by far is being a 75 speed SF. In a normal year Hanson would be by far the gem of the whole class but he is absolutely put to shame this year.

Also, Williams is probably going to be the 1st player I've ever seen who would be the best PG,SG,SF,PF, and C in the country at once. If he doesn't go one and done.

Without looking, I highly doubt that a maxed-out Williams would be the best PG in the country.

Agreed. Would probably max out his spd/bh/pass at 73/87/90 and be a good second playmaker.

Disagree, 100 rebounding at PG is misplaced but valuable.

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/4/2019 2:13:00 PM (view original):
Disagree, 100 rebounding at PG is misplaced but valuable.

100 Rebounding is like a 3 point skill in other places while shooting Zero points every game. Its consider a Bust because of Tournament play.

Posted by kcsundevil on 7/1/2019 7:20:00 PM (view original):
Williams is so preposterously good that I assume something's broken in the recruit generation engine.

Every now and then a Lebron is born.

CubCub Insane no1 challenges you for long term success in your state. Your long term success will be fulfill if you continue the way you are.

Posted by Benis on 7/2/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):
It's very unlikely he will be 1 and done. Out of the 104 FR listed on the big board that I've tracked, only 6 went early.

As an update, Williams started the season at #7 on the big board and finished at #3. He left after his freshman year. Final ratings:

94 Ath
71 Sp
82 Reb
92 de
82 sb
85 lp
85 per
73 bh
86 pa
81 sta

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/28/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 7/2/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):
It's very unlikely he will be 1 and done. Out of the 104 FR listed on the big board that I've tracked, only 6 went early.

As an update, Williams started the season at #7 on the big board and finished at #3. He left after his freshman year. Final ratings:

94 Ath
71 Sp
82 Reb
92 de
82 sb
85 lp
85 per
73 bh
86 pa
81 sta

I assume he was “likely going” at #3. Do you remember if he was likely going or on the fence at #7?

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/28/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 7/2/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):
It's very unlikely he will be 1 and done. Out of the 104 FR listed on the big board that I've tracked, only 6 went early.

As an update, Williams started the season at #7 on the big board and finished at #3. He left after his freshman year. Final ratings:

94 Ath
71 Sp
82 Reb
92 de
82 sb
85 lp
85 per
73 bh
86 pa
81 sta

Daaaang diaper dandy.

Posted by shoe3 on 8/28/2019 3:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/28/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 7/2/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):
It's very unlikely he will be 1 and done. Out of the 104 FR listed on the big board that I've tracked, only 6 went early.

As an update, Williams started the season at #7 on the big board and finished at #3. He left after his freshman year. Final ratings:

94 Ath
71 Sp
82 Reb
92 de
82 sb
85 lp
85 per
73 bh
86 pa
81 sta

I assume he was “likely going” at #3. Do you remember if he was likely going or on the fence at #7?

He was likely going at #7.

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/28/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 7/2/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):
It's very unlikely he will be 1 and done. Out of the 104 FR listed on the big board that I've tracked, only 6 went early.

As an update, Williams started the season at #7 on the big board and finished at #3. He left after his freshman year. Final ratings:

94 Ath
71 Sp
82 Reb
92 de
82 sb
85 lp
85 per
73 bh
86 pa
81 sta

he STARTED at 7? as a freshman?? that is one of the most surprising things ive seen HD wise in a while. i didnt think any freshman had a chance of starting so high.

i would have not recruited the guy myself, because the EE risk was too high, but i had loosely assumed he was gone after soph year.

Posted by gillispie1 on 8/28/2019 10:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/28/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 7/2/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):
It's very unlikely he will be 1 and done. Out of the 104 FR listed on the big board that I've tracked, only 6 went early.

As an update, Williams started the season at #7 on the big board and finished at #3. He left after his freshman year. Final ratings:

94 Ath
71 Sp
82 Reb
92 de
82 sb
85 lp
85 per
73 bh
86 pa
81 sta

he STARTED at 7? as a freshman?? that is one of the most surprising things ive seen HD wise in a while. i didnt think any freshman had a chance of starting so high.

i would have not recruited the guy myself, because the EE risk was too high, but i had loosely assumed he was gone after soph year.

The highest I have for a FR is #10 after the season was over. And he ended up staying.

He's now currently #1 on big board