A slightly different question. I am from time to time intrigued by the possibility of press as a change up defense. If you spend modest minutes on it, you can get to C+ or even B minus.......and then use it or a combo defense now and then or as an adjustment when losing

I think it ought to work - like in real life

BUT, I have not really seen great results when I have played with that.

Any views or stories on press IQ and skillz for use as an alternate?

I will keep trying it now and then just cause I would for sure do so in real life. Loved it when I had a good team to coach in youth ball and we ran a darn nice 1-2-2 for limited periods to help turn a game around or now and then to put the pedal to the metal and finish someone off.....ah those were the days

My thoughts on that, if you're down by say i.e. 5 points with 3 minutes to go and you're running a zone, what do you have to lose by running a press those last few minutes? I think you're more likely to catch up, running a press with C IQs than running a zone with A IQ in that scenario. Especially if you know your opponent is going to run slowdown. If the opposition has 3 possessions in the last few minutes, that's about at least a 1:20 off the clock and that doesn't even include any offensive rebounds that team may get.

1-2-2 can be an extremely effective press at the youth level. Same with a diamond 1-2-1-1.

Is teaching Adult Con Triangle and max zone coverage even allowed at youth sports?

I am learning a lot...thanks to all who are participating.

Posted by fd343ny on 1/11/2020 8:04:00 PM (view original):
A slightly different question. I am from time to time intrigued by the possibility of press as a change up defense. If you spend modest minutes on it, you can get to C+ or even B minus.......and then use it or a combo defense now and then or as an adjustment when losing

I think it ought to work - like in real life

BUT, I have not really seen great results when I have played with that.

Any views or stories on press IQ and skillz for use as an alternate?

I will keep trying it now and then just cause I would for sure do so in real life. Loved it when I had a good team to coach in youth ball and we ran a darn nice 1-2-2 for limited periods to help turn a game around or now and then to put the pedal to the metal and finish someone off.....ah those were the days

I run a combo press/zone, and spend 10 minutes on press, 20 on zone, and 20 on the offense. If I was only using as a late game changeup, I think 5 would be plenty. I do combo pretty much for the extra turnovers. I like zone for FG suppression and flexible roster and lineups, but I always miss the turnovers when I run straight zone.

Posted by fd343ny on 1/11/2020 8:04:00 PM (view original):
A slightly different question. I am from time to time intrigued by the possibility of press as a change up defense. If you spend modest minutes on it, you can get to C+ or even B minus.......and then use it or a combo defense now and then or as an adjustment when losing

I think it ought to work - like in real life

BUT, I have not really seen great results when I have played with that.

Any views or stories on press IQ and skillz for use as an alternate?

I will keep trying it now and then just cause I would for sure do so in real life. Loved it when I had a good team to coach in youth ball and we ran a darn nice 1-2-2 for limited periods to help turn a game around or now and then to put the pedal to the metal and finish someone off.....ah those were the days

i run a 60m (minimum) team iq team for a while, running motion + press OR zone in d1. i wasn't big on the halfcourt, i ran it a little bit, but i pretty much am not a fan. however, i pretty much always had press for the 'if losing' team plan setting. i sort of thought it would be really cool, like you get to run this press for 6m with full IQ and it should help.

my experience was underwhelming on the whole. i didn't watch too much because i don't really coach the regular season, but i never caught a game where that press saved me - and there were a decent # of losses where it didn't. it was kinda fun, but it didn't have the versatility i kinda hoped for. on the whole, the most useful thing was season over season, i could go from one scheme to the next - press one year, zone the next.

in the end, i was fine with the whole thing - i did it for fun, and i enjoyed it. i never really thought it was a serious scheme for serious teams, and my experience mostly suggested that was true. although i guess we did alright, i didn't play it that long and had a 5 year run with like, 2 titles and 2 runner ups? i think it was 1-2 with zone, and 1-0 with press (of the 4 season we were serious title contenders), but i felt like running straight press or straight zone would have been at least as good without all the challenges of using at least 60 (sometimes more) team practice minutes.

although now that i'm saying all this, i suppose if i had a random zone d1 team, i'd have been pretty happy with 3 title games and 1 title in 5 seasons, plus whatever would have happened that year i had the press title? so maybe it is reasonable for a competitive team, i don't know. i will say, i was pretty high energy at that point - even though i was playing just for fun (and actually, probably because i was) - i was actually doing stuff, i was at least half assing it which is a pretty rare thing for me. by way of comparison, i decided right afterwards that i really wanted a d1 3peat so i changed to press and hunkered down, and within a couple seasons launched into a 5peat with 7 titles and 9 f4s in 10 years. so by comparison, the zone OR press scheme kinda sucked? i don't know, hard to say. i do know that for how much i actually coached and how good kansas situation was, i really didn't consider myself to have done that well with the zone OR press deal. i probably played it for about 10 seasons maybe a bit less not counting the first couple throwaway ones where you change IQ, and outside those 5 pretty good years, we basically sucked.