Homecourt Points Value Topic

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/9/2020 11:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/9/2020 6:51:00 PM (view original):
It's interesting that you all think the HCA is this sophisticated.

My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. I think that's the only place the HCA gets factored in.
I disagree a ton. I'll play teams who I see as even to me and consistently win at home and lose on the road. It's proven that HCA plays a factor.
I'm with Sports. I lose a lot of road games with my Illinois team in Wooden that I see has 60-40.
4/9/2020 11:52 PM
Games like this:

Texas, Tyler: Home and Away

Colorado: Home and Away
4/10/2020 12:02 AM
Have you ever had a reverse split (wins away) in Top 25 Big6 DI?

I've had one but I started my freshmen at home and not away so it doesn't count.
4/10/2020 1:05 AM
Posted by cubcub113 on 4/9/2020 11:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/9/2020 11:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/9/2020 6:51:00 PM (view original):
It's interesting that you all think the HCA is this sophisticated.

My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. I think that's the only place the HCA gets factored in.
I disagree a ton. I'll play teams who I see as even to me and consistently win at home and lose on the road. It's proven that HCA plays a factor.
I'm with Sports. I lose a lot of road games with my Illinois team in Wooden that I see has 60-40.
I'm pretty clearly saying the HCA is a factor. Bizarre you guys are claiming otherwise.

I just don't think it's factored in as part of the micro formula for every single possession. It's packaged in the macro formula that dictates the overall flow of the game. It still hits every possession, but not at the level of detail y'all think.

Some of you guys are coders. You know you write code so if it acts up, you can easily reach in and fix it. HCA doesn't have to be written into every single scenario tree, so I don't think WIS would do it that way.
4/10/2020 11:37 AM
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/10/2020 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cubcub113 on 4/9/2020 11:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/9/2020 11:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/9/2020 6:51:00 PM (view original):
It's interesting that you all think the HCA is this sophisticated.

My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. I think that's the only place the HCA gets factored in.
I disagree a ton. I'll play teams who I see as even to me and consistently win at home and lose on the road. It's proven that HCA plays a factor.
I'm with Sports. I lose a lot of road games with my Illinois team in Wooden that I see has 60-40.
I'm pretty clearly saying the HCA is a factor. Bizarre you guys are claiming otherwise.

I just don't think it's factored in as part of the micro formula for every single possession. It's packaged in the macro formula that dictates the overall flow of the game. It still hits every possession, but not at the level of detail y'all think.

Some of you guys are coders. You know you write code so if it acts up, you can easily reach in and fix it. HCA doesn't have to be written into every single scenario tree, so I don't think WIS would do it that way.
i didn't respond earlier but i totally don't agree this exists - 'My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. ' - that just isn't a thing

this game has feedback, but i don't think that is what you are talking about. also, the feedback mechanism has nothing to do with HCA, at least as far as we have been told - feedback was added many, many years after HCA, which is why i am pretty sure that at a minimum, feedback is not the primary source of HCA impact (not saying its impossible some aspect of feedback intersects with HCA in some way)

i also am not really sure what you are talking about when you say 'It's packaged in the macro formula that dictates the overall flow of the game' - can you be more specific as to what you are talking about there? that is an extremely general statement, struggling to relate that statement to anything concrete. especially when you say it hits every possession - after in your first post, you said it only factors in to the half time correction factor.

my take - nobody knows exactly in which areas HCA has an impact, but there are some fairly good guesses (fg%, TOs, etc). most likely, some, not all, of the formulas used to make decisions along the way in the flow of the game have some HCA impact, which means that some possessions there are probably several occasions in which HCA was a factor, and in other possessions, there might be none or one. i do think HCA was specifically worked in to several parts of the game, at least - and i don't think there is some macro level effect, which team gets the overall advantage type deal, aka upset factor (as it used to masquerade on the forums), that HCA is factored into (particularly because such a thing doesn't exist to start with)
4/10/2020 1:42 PM (edited)
You're good people, gil.

But if you don't believe this game has a significant halftime correction factor built into it, this conversation isn't going anywhere.
4/10/2020 2:07 PM
'the upset factor' has been HD's version of flat earth theory for the past 15 years, good to see it is alive and well!! :)
4/10/2020 2:20 PM
I am a traditionalist :)
4/10/2020 2:35 PM
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/10/2020 2:07:00 PM (view original):
You're good people, gil.

But if you don't believe this game has a significant halftime correction factor built into it, this conversation isn't going anywhere.
He never said the halftime correction isn’t large, he just said that’s not the place HCA factors in (even though it may a bit there, it factors in other places.
4/10/2020 3:39 PM
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/10/2020 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cubcub113 on 4/9/2020 11:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/9/2020 11:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 4/9/2020 6:51:00 PM (view original):
It's interesting that you all think the HCA is this sophisticated.

My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. I think that's the only place the HCA gets factored in.
I disagree a ton. I'll play teams who I see as even to me and consistently win at home and lose on the road. It's proven that HCA plays a factor.
I'm with Sports. I lose a lot of road games with my Illinois team in Wooden that I see has 60-40.
I'm pretty clearly saying the HCA is a factor. Bizarre you guys are claiming otherwise.

I just don't think it's factored in as part of the micro formula for every single possession. It's packaged in the macro formula that dictates the overall flow of the game. It still hits every possession, but not at the level of detail y'all think.

Some of you guys are coders. You know you write code so if it acts up, you can easily reach in and fix it. HCA doesn't have to be written into every single scenario tree, so I don't think WIS would do it that way.
You are not clearly saying that. Your initial claim was it only was a factor to correct big upsets. We we’re giving it examples of happening every game. Then you pivoted.
4/10/2020 3:40 PM
It’s in a developer chat, the title is Home.Court Advantage. I can’t cut and paste from my phone but the answers are:

about 6 points between d- to A
visitong teams foul more, turnover more, and shoot worse
4/11/2020 7:33 AM
https://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=60
4/11/2020 10:11 AM
Kc it often just feels that way. I mean how many times in real life have you seen a crazy result in the first half be totally flipped in the second half?

The answer is almost exactly how many times you've seen a crazy result in the first half proceed a damn normal result in the second... you just remember the games with crazy flips more. It happens a ton in real life as well... if you want links to some IRL Illinois games this year I can back it up.
6.9.0
4/11/2020 2:20 PM
You guys are putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't actually say. Kinda weird for such an unimportant topic where we're all mostly speculating.

I never said the correction is unrealistic. It's a good and necessary part of the programming. It wasn't always part of HD, I'm glad it is now.

Respect to your Illinois team. ASU came back from 20+ down this past season to beat U of A in Tempe. Huge comebacks are one of the best things about college basketball... as long as you're on the right end of the comeback!
4/11/2020 2:46 PM
◂ Prev 12
Homecourt Points Value Topic

Search Criteria

Terms of Use Customer Support Privacy Statement

© 1999-2026 WhatIfSports.com, Inc. All rights reserved. WhatIfSports is a trademark of WhatIfSports.com, Inc. SimLeague, SimMatchup and iSimNow are trademarks or registered trademarks of Electronic Arts, Inc. Used under license. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners.