i am not certain that my post was "productive" so I have deleted it

I am all for realignment! The more realistic the better.

I hated the conferences being outdated here for a long time. It does look funny to me at times. But for gaming purposes, I I think it's fine how it is now. I'm also going to guess that it's a lot easier for programming purposes, to have all conferences at 12 teams. And it makes the scheduling easier to balance and fair.

If conferences had a different number of schools, like in real life, how would non con work?.... there's a conference with 8 teams. A conference with 9 teams. Some have 10, 12, 14, 16.... it just adds a lot of complexity to the schedule in my opinion.

Leaving it how it is now, since it works, is fine by me. Even if we did realign them, and got MOST of the teams where they are in real life, a handful of teams would still likely be misplaced intentionally, to create balance. And people would still focus on those teams being in the wrong conference. So it will never be perfect.

Keeping them how they are now is the easiest and best thing to do

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Not happening. It'll never align exactly, and most of us frankly don't care that much.

Not sure you have the authority to speak for "most of us" and I constitute at least one person who does care.

Calm down. It's a topic that comes up every so often but then dies out fast.

I'm perfectly calm. Just noting your dismissive post didn't add to a constructive conversation. Have a good day!

Agree with me or I'll block your posts.

Disappointed to see trolls on this board. I appreciate those of you who have added to a productive conversation rather than trolling.

i would probably cut down on the redlining of relatively benign posts, it doesn't exactly jive with the communal atmosphere here, plus it makes more work for the site admins

This is a guess, but I would imagine realigning conferences so that they mirror real life would takes more resources than overhauling the core components of the game (HD 3.0 for example).

If you kept every conference at 12 it'd be much easier, but then you still wouldn't match real life so would it really be worth it? Maybe you could put everyone where they belong and then fill out conferences with fake teams? But that wouldn't help with conferences that have more than 12 teams in real life (not sure how many there are?) And like someone said you run into issues with current coaches having to move.

However...with everything going on in the world and being stuck at home I decided to pick up 2 additional teams. One of my main priorities was to join conferences that were stacked with human coaches. I saw that the Big East had an opening which was perfect, but the team was Rutgers. Them being in the Big East was so off putting that I decided to look elsewhere.

When HD was first created the conference alignments were not correct. Teams were moved around to put 12 in a conference. There was never any WAC or SWAC - those conferences were broken up and those teams scattered to the wind.

In real life as of this moment there are D1 conferences with 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, or 15 teams. How do you schedule for non-conference in a fair way? How do you conduct conference championships?

Tarleton State will be entering the WAC in 2020. Would that mean my DII team in Phelan suddenly becomes a D1 team?

Yes, most of us would want the conferences to match real life but no one knows how to do it.

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Posted by kcsundevil on 4/18/2020 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Not happening. It'll never align exactly, and most of us frankly don't care that much.

Not sure you have the authority to speak for "most of us" and I constitute at least one person who does care.

Calm down. It's a topic that comes up every so often but then dies out fast.

I'm perfectly calm. Just noting your dismissive post didn't add to a constructive conversation. Have a good day!

Agree with me or I'll block your posts.

Disappointed to see trolls on this board. I appreciate those of you who have added to a productive conversation rather than trolling.

i would probably cut down on the redlining of relatively benign posts, it doesn't exactly jive with the communal atmosphere here, plus it makes more work for the site admins

Kaw the best part of the 2020 HD community is we all love each other. Days of forum mud-slinging are over. We all share our love of the game.

Cub is correct. We may disagree sometimes but it's understood we all want to help each other.

Agreed with cub. People make jokes here but people are genuinely nice to each other. Also, I'd be for conference realignment if they figured out how ti do it, but I'd rather see many things done.

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Temple
East Carolina
South Florida
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SMU
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Seton Hall
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Marquette
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Butler
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Portland State
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Weber State
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Sacramento State



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UNC Asheville
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Iowa
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Michigan State
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Iowa State
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Oklahoma
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Kansas State

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Texas Tech
Texas Christian
Baylor
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UTAH VALLEY



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Hofstra
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Delaware
Drexel
GEORGE MASON

Elon
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Colorado State
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Sacred Heart
Liu Brooklyn
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STONY BROOK

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Robert Morris




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Georgia
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Mercer
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Southern
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Alcorn State
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Jackson State
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UL Monroe
South Alabama
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Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Appalachian State
UA Little Rock
Arkansas State




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St Mary’s
Santa Clara
San Francisco
Pacific
Loyola Marymount
Pepperdine

Brigham Young
San Diego
Gonzaga
Portland
DENVER
SEATTLE

Kaw_86 has a good question. It's been discussed a lot in the past. I put together the previous post's conference update several years ago. There are people here like me that think something sensible is doable. There are others that think its unworkable, and the energy required to try to convince the unworkable-faction is too much... that's why it's been dismissed.

My list above is several years old, and things change-- like, UConn will now return to the Big East. My preference in that specific case would be to adjust UConn back in some manner.

Also, we could move in safe, non-freak-out baby steps to improve things...
And a main agreement would be that we'd stick with 12 teams in each conference, and work from there.
(Though, if we moved to current NCAA mixed-size conferences, realignment coyld be done today).

One initial good one, for example, a really easy adjustment, i think, is a quick 3-way rotation:
Move: West Virginia from Big East to Big-12.
Move: Nebraska from Big-12 to Big Ten.
Move: Notre Dame from Big Ten to Big East.

An argument against this swap is that owners would flip out that they'd lose their human rivals. When i was new here, i conceded that argument cuz i didn't have a ton of experience. Now 7 years into this game, the human rivals thing to me is a pretty minor deal. Humans move around a lot. I've been in Crum Big East for 30 seasons... i think only Pitt and UConn humans have been there longer... UConn's owner has discussed leaving, but it would have to be to another A+ prestige school... but he's not tied to UConn for the specific conference. The Pitt human could also give 2 snots about needing to retain his rivalry with me and UConn.

West Virginia and Notre Dame would actually both benefit because they'd leave conference-rival-crowded recruiting grounds, and would both stay in Big Six conferences.

Another quick comment:
Past serious (critical) discussions happened in 2.0, when conference rivals would earn money based on how well their rivals performed in the NT. So it could have been legitimately argued back then that moving a team out of the richest conferences (the ACC back then typically) really hurt human owners.

Notre Dame in the Horizon should never happen.

How about D1 schools that do not even exist in WIS?

St. Mary's California particularly comes to mind. 5 NCAA tournament appearnces in the last 10 years ... including a Sweet 16.

And speaking of St. Mary's (CA) ... why not International recruits from Australia?

Currently there are 350 D1 basketball schools (324 in WIS)

They should really consider adding another conference to D1 ... AND realignment.

Some of the lesser important but more egregious conference affiliations need to be corrected ... like Alcorn St. and Southern in the Big Sky.