Posted by gillispie1 on 5/16/2020 5:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 5/16/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 5/16/2020 4:53:00 PM (view original):
I'd say Team B is higher on the PR by about two spots. Both are probably top 10 though. Maybe something like 8 on the PR for Team B and 10 on the PR for Team A.

Gil said it best, and I think you're right. The answer has to be a bit of a shock at first glance, compared to the obvious choice. Or we would discuss it most likely.

I'd say B is higher as well based off that. And the fact that HD doesn't put enough emphasis on "big time" wins, compared to above average bodies of work.

I don't have exacts. But I feel like in 10 game measurements, HD values a 10-0 record with 10 wins against rpi's 11-100 is valued higher than a 10-0 record with 5 wins against top 10 rpis and 5 wins against 101+ rpis. And I don't really feel like it should be that way (I left a lot of holes there with the numbers. Like were those +101 rpi teams in the 350s? But I'm just speaking vaguely about the numbers in general. I just feel that top 5 and top 10 wins should have a LOT more weight than they do)

i hear you, from the top X standpoint, there is no gradient. a road win over #1 rpi is equal to a home win against #100 rpi, in terms of the impact on the record vs top 100 component. obviously there is additional value in that #1 win in terms of rpi, record vs top 25/50/75 - but still. the fact remains that the victory over the #1 team gets its due in exactly 0 of the metrics.

in rpi, a road win over a #1 rpi team and a home loss to the #200 team is equivalent to a road win over the #200 team and a home loss to the #1 rpi team. a home over #1 rpi and a road win over #200 is also equal to a road win over #1 rpi and a home win over #200. so playing really tough games, it never really got its due in rpi. obviously with a flat 'record vs top X', beating the hardest teams in those brackets is going to be underrepresented value wise while beating the weaker teams is over represented. so its really a systemic issue. that said, if you want to win lots of titles, you should play those toughest teams anyway, so i don't think its a massive imbalance or anything.

Posted by pallas on 5/16/2020 5:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 5/16/2020 4:53:00 PM (view original):
I'd say Team B is higher on the PR by about two spots. Both are probably top 10 though. Maybe something like 8 on the PR for Team B and 10 on the PR for Team A.

Gold star.

Edit: You're in Wooden, so I'm guessing you did some research. haha

Posted by gillispie1 on 5/17/2020 12:35:00 AM (view original):
i just now finally got through that first post - thats a pretty good example you pulled there. definitely agree its obvious who should be ahead!

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/17/2020 12:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 5/17/2020 12:35:00 AM (view original):
i just now finally got through that first post - thats a pretty good example you pulled there. definitely agree its obvious who should be ahead!

I think I’m interpreting this message correctly:

Youre saying I found a good example where based on an eye test IRL you feel Team A would be ahead yet know based upon the PR that Team B is ahead?