Sounds like there is no reason other than a run of bad luck over about 30% of a season to explain why 07 Pfiester can't get anyone out, and 32 Ruth has no power?

I'm not even sure it's bad luck. I think you're getting about exactly what you should have expected.

07 Pfiester has about 1100 seasons stored in his performance history. That's a pretty big sample. His average season in WIS: 13-11, 1.39 WHIP, 3.49 ERA. You're playing in Coors. If I bump his WHIP up 15% to account for the fact that you are playing half your game in Coors, I get 1.60. You have 1.59. I'd say he's spot on. His road stats for you are 1.46 WHIP, pretty damn close to his average performance.

I have been playing here since 2006-07 and I can't remember 07 Pfiester ever being talked about as a cookie; he's never been one of those guys that you routinely see a lot of, so I don't think he's ever been considered a particularly good value for the price. He costs about $35K per inning. The way I evaluate pitchers, if I look at guys with 200+ IP who cost at least $30,000/IP, he's not in my top 150 for value per dollar. I wouldn't expect anything special from him in an open league.

On that note, you could run his #s through the ballpark effects multipliers from contrarians park effect thread below and get a good idea of the effect Coors would have even without factoring in opposing competition.

and I don’t remember when it was, may have been prior to ‘06, but I do recall a time when Pfiester was a cookie and highly regarded, but in my memory he was also significantly cheaper at that time (I’m thinking less than $5m, like when the 1910 King Cole used to be $3m).

Posted by contrarian23 on 5/30/2020 5:10:00 PM (view original):
I'm not even sure it's bad luck. I think you're getting about exactly what you should have expected.

07 Pfiester has about 1100 seasons stored in his performance history. That's a pretty big sample. His average season in WIS: 13-11, 1.39 WHIP, 3.49 ERA. You're playing in Coors. If I bump his WHIP up 15% to account for the fact that you are playing half your game in Coors, I get 1.60. You have 1.59. I'd say he's spot on. His road stats for you are 1.46 WHIP, pretty damn close to his average performance.

I have been playing here since 2006-07 and I can't remember 07 Pfiester ever being talked about as a cookie; he's never been one of those guys that you routinely see a lot of, so I don't think he's ever been considered a particularly good value for the price. He costs about $35K per inning. The way I evaluate pitchers, if I look at guys with 200+ IP who cost at least $30,000/IP, he's not in my top 150 for value per dollar. I wouldn't expect anything special from him in an open league.

This is also true :)

After reading this thread I have a question...........

Are you inferring that Tulsa just had extraordinary Good "luck" when using '07 Pfiester back in the day?
TulsaG (apparently) had some consistently effective results when using Pfiester back then.
Just luck?

Back then Pfiester was around $6.2M

@laramiebob, no. My best guess would be that the balance between offense and defense that existed in OLs, based on salary levels at that time, may have made him (a) effective at 80M (b) a good buy at 80M. Salaries have changed several times over the years, sometimes based on WIS updates (anyone remember when they bumped up the salaries of every catcher with an A+ arm? Or when they increased salaries of players who had good ratings at more than one defensive position? Or the time they finally took into account pitcher's hitting abilities when setting pitcher salaries?), and then for about 18 months due to dynamic pricing. Every time salaries change, the balance between offense and defense changes, and the list of players who are good (or poor) values for the dollar changes. Whatever was the case back when he was using Pfiester, it is no longer the case now. But that is not the result of the SIM engine changing; there hasn't been a meaningful change to the game engine in a long long time.

Pfiester was heavily used, and was fairly decent. Using him in Coors is the culprit. I don't see why that should be surprising.

I built 3 teams over a weekend awhile back. They are currently 188-88 collectively. One is on a 15 game streak. Another is 30 games over .500, yet 8 GB to Joerat1.

You have to be at .735 right now to crack the Top 25. Tough crowd indeed.

Posted by contrarian23 on 5/30/2020 11:38:00 AM (view original):
Dynamic pricing is no longer in effect. It was used, quarterly, for about 18 months and then ceased. Click on any player from seasons before 2018 and in addition to his performance history you can see his salary history - how it changed each quarter across that time period

Sorry for the misinformation. I have only been back and active here for - a few weeks? I think - and no one mentioned this to me either way, and I never thought to ask, since I rarely play OLs, so I just assumed the system was as it had been last time I had been here. Thanks. Now I know.

They took it down supposedly to review it after many complained about its inconsistencies. Looks as though it got shelved indefinitely.

Not an inconsistency, but a fixed error that was never corrected. The player usage "meter" was never reset between cycles. So if '08 Joss was used 100 times in the first cycle and his salary increased, then used only 50 times in the second cycle, at the end of the second cycle his usage meter would read 150 instead of 50. It meant the most used players and biggest cookies kept getting increased by the maximum 10% each cycle even though their usage did in fact decline.

Streaky Sim...

Central	W-L	PCT	GB	MagN	L10	STRK	Home	Away	Owner
Cutting the Cord	66-31	0.680	-	-	10-0	W17	34-16	32-15	DoctorKz
Razorhawg test team 2	65-32	0.670	1	-	9-1	L1	35-15	30-17	Razorhawg1
Arizona Climberbacks	54-43	0.557	12	-	6-4	W1	30-19	24-24	thedayafter
Bottom Feeder	27-70	0.278	39	-	2-8	W1	14-35	13-35	WonderboyRoy

Joe is one tough hombre...

West	W-L	PCT	GB	MagN	L10	STRK	Home	Away	Owner
Socially Distant	71-23	0.755	-	-	8-2	W3	35-12	36-11	joerat1
Carpetbaggers	63-31	0.670	8	-	10-0	W10	32-14	31-17	DoctorKz
Rascals	53-41	0.564	18	-	3-7	L1	27-20	26-21	Mickeyoverjo
scarves by Brix	48-46	0.511	23	-	5-5	L2	22-26	26-20	snowballs23

Posted by contrarian23 on 5/30/2020 5:10:00 PM (view original):
I'm not even sure it's bad luck. I think you're getting about exactly what you should have expected.

07 Pfiester has about 1100 seasons stored in his performance history. That's a pretty big sample. His average season in WIS: 13-11, 1.39 WHIP, 3.49 ERA. You're playing in Coors. If I bump his WHIP up 15% to account for the fact that you are playing half your game in Coors, I get 1.60. You have 1.59. I'd say he's spot on. His road stats for you are 1.46 WHIP, pretty damn close to his average performance.

I have been playing here since 2006-07 and I can't remember 07 Pfiester ever being talked about as a cookie; he's never been one of those guys that you routinely see a lot of, so I don't think he's ever been considered a particularly good value for the price. He costs about $35K per inning. The way I evaluate pitchers, if I look at guys with 200+ IP who cost at least $30,000/IP, he's not in my top 150 for value per dollar. I wouldn't expect anything special from him in an open league.

I'd like to hear more about this $/IP. It's been year's since I have played too and I don't remember using this as a filter. As far as pitching how should I use that with the other stats to locate "value" pitchers? Right now I am using OAV+, HR/9+, BB/9# and WHIP# so I would like to learn more in how to tap the right pitchers.