Hope you get it back wronoj.

Thanks. Me too. :)

Posted by dirtycajun on 6/8/2020 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Josh come back to the mountain west. Zero expectations and BYU is just sitting there.

Ugh. I hate to say I’m thinking about it.

Posted by grecianfox on 6/8/2020 7:52:00 PM (view original):
Sorry to hear this, wronoj. Remember our times in the Naismith ACC fondly. I would apply but am really happy at my alma mater and worried you would not be qualified for/get it.

Thanks, Grecian. I don’t want anyone to risk giving up something they’ve built because I missed a deadline.

I just don’t want to lose the thing I was building...

Looks like someone has been awarded the Kansas job, as its no longer listed as available.

Posted by seabreeze on 6/9/2020 3:33:00 AM (view original):
I am really lucky because in my browser I see "Renewed for next season" in bright green letters on the main page of all of my teams. I guess others don't see that on their devices, particularly, it seems, if one is coaching the Jayhawks. Maybe it's a bug.

Also, the auto-renew feature is really helpful. I use it on all of my teams. If I get below two seasons remaining, I buy more. Maybe that strategy should be in an HD 3.0 forum thread somewhere.

Hey seabreeze, I hear you and all the people in your camp on this... You're right, there are a lot of call-outs, plenty of places to see "RENEW", and whether your seasons are running out, etc.

But as someone who works in digital transformation at a Fortune 100 company, with multiple certificates in Human Computer Interaction, Cognitive Psych, and UX Design, and as someone who has managed the digital transformation for alumni donations at my D3 alma mater I can tell you there is something very wrong with the design of renewals at WIS.

For one, the # of clicks involved to simply add money to your account is pretty intensive - it was already bad but it seems to have been made worse by the integration between WIS and SportsHub. For another, if SportsHub truly wants to generate profits, they should migrate to a legitimate auto-renewal process that actually ties to a user's CC information. At a minimum, they should offer that as an option...it would make them more money and avoid having people who rely heavily on credits "accidentally" lose their teams when their credits run out.

I.e. if there was a configuration where I could set my account to use credits until they run out and then auto-default to have my CC charged to renew when I run out of credits, I would use that. Heck, I might even lazy enough to set it to purchase single seasons, which, cumulatively, would result in me paying more to WIS than if I purchased seasons in bundles. If they really wanted to make the feature robust, they could let people auto-renew in different tiers/bundles for discounted prices - i.e. if I run out of credits, let the system preemptively purchase a 5-pack for me. Then I can ride that 5-pack + credits for a while and reduce the frequency of my spend.

Yes, it's on the user's to renew. But if you want to make money, you don't make the process intensive enough that there are 2-3 threads a week about established players who have likely poured hundreds if not thousands of dollars into this game accidentally losing their teams.

Imagine if Seamless or Netflix made you manually renew every couple of months? If after you've ordered from a restaurant 5 times or finished binge-watching a TV series your account simply deactivated because you didn't hit renew in time? It doesn't make sense.

I think, among other things, one reason WIS has rested their laurels on this is because the "firing system" in this game is pretty weak. This is one of the most effective ways to knock top tier players out of high-ranking DI teams to open them up for newer players. But it doesn't seem like a smart or savvy business/financial model.

From an NPS perspective, WIS is doing heavy damage to their image. Hurting long-term players, even if they do return, is going to heavily discourage them from encouraging their friends & colleagues who likely have similar interests from joining WIS. That sentiment legitimately will damage the long-term success of this game. Which sucks for all of us.

Agreed that auto charging your CC would be a win/win solution.

Robinhood410 got the gig, and was very cool and offered to trade back if WIS will return him to Ole Miss (I’m not qualified there)... now I’m waiting for CS to deal with it before Ole Miss gets taken and I’m SOL.

Not ideal, but a lot better than yesterday AM.

and I agree, I’d auto-pay on a CC or bank draft if it would let me, but I don’t want to put $100 at a time in for a 10-pack.

Posted by cbriese on 6/9/2020 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Oh good grief. No one is willing to own up to their own failure/mistakes in these forums, and always need to find someone else to blame. Jeez. Take some personal responsibility for a change, and stop the incessant whining. "Renewals are broken". "The jobs process is broken". "Recruiting dice rolls are unfair". Life isn't always fair. And as much as you believe you deserve a participation award for everything you do, that's just not the way it works. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

cbriese...this is a business.

If WIS wants to make money sustainably, they need to make renewing easier. There's no debating that. Let people auto-renew on their CC's.

damn wronoj, that sucks man, i hope you end up getting the job back and sticking around. i don't get why CS doesn't just look at who is winning the job and go from there. they act like they don't know who is going to win. that baffles me. is there a random factor there? that would be news to me. anyway then someone gets it and now you are waiting on the next job and its like... there has to be a better way!

here's an idea. perhaps we should have a directory of folks with unused IDs with good resumes who are willing to put in for a job when this happens? i'd be willing to provide that service in tark. even if you are qualified for your old job, i've got a pretty tough to beat resume there - and because its unused, there's no daisy chain of jobs to unwind afterwards, i'd just go back to unemployed. i know there's a lot of coaches who left solid resumes in various worlds and i suspect some of them would be willing to do the same?

Ah, the old "participation trophy" throwaway line.

I always disliked hearing people whine about having to give out participation trophies. This thread has nothing to do with them, but it's a term ironically used by marshmallow types like Tim Allen to say that "people are soft, not like in the old days, when men were men", which is complete bullsh-t as usual. Older generations always whine about the young, going back to freakin Plato.

At least one parent every season would whine about this, usually in whispers directed toward the smallest or suckiest kid on a baseball team.

The participation trophy is a marketing tool... like, a parent forked over 75 bucks to join the Little League (or 150 bucks if they had 2 kids)... the kid struggled but maybe had a good time, had patient coaches, liked his teammates... ok, here's a 32 cent plastic trophy or plastic disc to put on a shelf. The kid sees it all winter and maybe is inspired to stick with the sport, and will fork over another 75 bucks the upcoming Spring. Win-win for everyone, especially with dwindling numbers of kids signing up nowadays.

It'd be like whining about how we hand out high school diplomas for D students. Right, why do they get diplomas? F-ck, what about restaurants that give free desserts to people on their birthday? What has that restaurant customer accomplished to deserve a free slice of cheesecake? And the guy didn't even finish his entree-- see, look, there's still some meat hidden within the un-eaten mashed potatoes... really, why does he get cheesecake??? by the time it's my birthday cheescake is out of season. Country is raising a bunch of softies! Actually, it's amazing how Tim Allen made a 40-year career out of this.

Posted by wronoj on 6/8/2020 10:27:00 AM (view original):
Looks like I've played my last season of HD-- I've been in since season 13 in Naismith/Wooden... Forgot to renew at Kansas in Naismith, and now I'm listed as Not Qualified for the job, even as I've got them set up to win in the future.

I've had a lot of fun playing this game, but am not interested in starting over or rebuilding again at this time. We'll see if I ever get the itch again. Thank goodness my one D3 team got hot when the time was right, all those years ago, and I don't have to retire without a title.

To all the good guys I've met through here, and enjoyed talking to, it's been a blast. Never though I'd play this long.

Best of luck to whichever coach gets the team.

Josh

I guess what is puzzling to me (and I've had it happen once personally, though many moons ago) is how the system can be set up as such that the coach of the team forgets to renew and is then deemed Not Qualified for the job. If the coach forgets to renew and happens to notice before anyone else applies, they should ALWAYS be able to reclaim their old job. To be coaching a team, forget to renew, and then have the system say that you are now Not Qualified for the job you had literally hours ago is beyond ludicrous. If the system considers the coach to have done THAT bad of a job, then they should have been fired, end of problem.

I can see if someone else applied for a job before a coach attempted to reclaim their team but from the way I understand it, this was not the case.

FWIW, and I realize that some people have said they have gotten Longshot jobs, I tried again just to see what would happen and got the instant rejection both times. In roughly what, 15 years of playing this game, I have never NOT gotten the instant rejection on a Longshot job app. Do away with that garbage and make it either Qualified or Not Qualified. My two cents.......