Posted by npb7768 on 12/21/2020 10:53:00 AM (view original):
For anyone unfamiliar with the RPI formula:

25 percent of your RPI is your W-L record, and:
- Road wins are worth 1.4 wins actually.
- Home wins are only worth 0.6 wins.
- Road losses are only worth 0.6 losses.
- Home losses are worth 1.4 losses.
So if you schedule 10 home games and go 5-5, RPI will consider your W-L record as 3-7.
10 road games at 5-5 will put your RPI W-L record at 7-3.
This again is 25% of your RPI.

50 percent of your RPI is your opponents' W-L record:
- so you want to avoid scheduling SimAi dregs as your path to 10-0.
- if vs Sims, usually try to schedule teams with a bunch of juniors (who will be seniors the following season when you play them).
Pretty sure this is unweighted home-away. So the 9-1 Long Island Blackbirds with 10 home games will be considered 9-1.

The last 25 percent of your RPI is your opponents' opponents' records...
- scheduling the 23-3 Long Island Blackbirds will be valuable, though probably a little less-so due to them pounding a bunch of 7-17 teams in the NEC.

This is great. I've actually built some software and knew how RPI was calculated but I didn't know about how weighted away games are. Definitely will be changing up my scheduling now!

good post by npb, and he's correct the home-away weighting is only for the first 25% (your W-L). i believe when you beat (or lose) to an opponent, that game doesn't count in the W-L, or there's some little case like that, that i don't see. but its really not super important (but if you put the formula in excel or something you'll want that so it lines up).

SOS is just the 75% of RPI that doesn't factor in your W-L, i just make that point because i think a lot folks assume home/away weighting also factors into SOS. it does not. when talking about post season seeding, the projection report, 'strength of schedule' in the generic sense is important - not just listed SOS. as someone mentioned, this means home/away games too, which was a good point by whoever made it. just kinda pointing out that if you are really paying attention to it, keep in mind that SOS does not reflect the fullness of 'difficulty of schedule' that ends up impacting the post season seeding. that is just kind of a response to the bit about 'its dumb that seeding takes into SOS which is just a sub-component of RPI' - which is a reasonable take - i am just pointing out the strength of schedule used in seeding is not strictly speaking the listed SOS. i think the game actually has gotten away from using RPI directly for seeding at least by and large so i think there's less duplication in there than one might think reading the thread.

Posted by kaw_86 on 12/21/2020 10:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 4:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/20/2020 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah that's a little weird. Luckily seeds don't really matter when you're just talking about 1 line.

This is correct.

I didn't see the experience level of the OP, but I used to ask the same question about seeding. Sometimes in can be funky. Sometimes you also have to look at the teams ahead of you and the conference they come from, as a team might get bumped up or down a line, to make the balance of the bracket accurate (ex, if 4 teams from 1 conference are in the NT, all 4 will be placed in different regions).

But overall, seeding is so meaningless in HD. Due to lots of factors. There's some coaches that don't schedule, will go 29-0 with SOS 200, and get a 5 seed. And they might be the best team. I've had a 10 loss, 10 seed team make the championship game because of all the freshman promises I made. But once post season arrives, I could sit all the freshman and my true starting lineup carried us far. Often times there's teams that are seeded low that are excellent, or teams that are seeded high that aren't very good.

I also realize it's fun and noteworthy to earn a 1 seed just for self gratification. But in the end, none of the seeding matters, and what's really important is the matchups you're faced with along the way. The more you play, the more you will understand this. It took me a while

I mean, I get the concept, but on average a 1 seed should have an easier path than a 2, if only by a small margin.

I promise I'm telling you this to be helpful and not to argue. But that's just not the case. HD does not work that way at all. Sure it's cool to earn a 1 seed, no doubt. But it does not assure you of an easier path. I'm not sure what division you play at, but I can name a couple coaches that are consistently under seeded because of personal choices they make. It's just how they play the game.

freshmen promises, and scheduling are the two leading factors for why this happens

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 3:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kaw_86 on 12/21/2020 10:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 4:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/20/2020 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah that's a little weird. Luckily seeds don't really matter when you're just talking about 1 line.

This is correct.

I didn't see the experience level of the OP, but I used to ask the same question about seeding. Sometimes in can be funky. Sometimes you also have to look at the teams ahead of you and the conference they come from, as a team might get bumped up or down a line, to make the balance of the bracket accurate (ex, if 4 teams from 1 conference are in the NT, all 4 will be placed in different regions).

But overall, seeding is so meaningless in HD. Due to lots of factors. There's some coaches that don't schedule, will go 29-0 with SOS 200, and get a 5 seed. And they might be the best team. I've had a 10 loss, 10 seed team make the championship game because of all the freshman promises I made. But once post season arrives, I could sit all the freshman and my true starting lineup carried us far. Often times there's teams that are seeded low that are excellent, or teams that are seeded high that aren't very good.

I also realize it's fun and noteworthy to earn a 1 seed just for self gratification. But in the end, none of the seeding matters, and what's really important is the matchups you're faced with along the way. The more you play, the more you will understand this. It took me a while

I mean, I get the concept, but on average a 1 seed should have an easier path than a 2, if only by a small margin.

I promise I'm telling you this to be helpful and not to argue. But that's just not the case. HD does not work that way at all. Sure it's cool to earn a 1 seed, no doubt. But it does not assure you of an easier path. I'm not sure what division you play at, but I can name a couple coaches that are consistently under seeded because of personal choices they make. It's just how they play the game.

freshmen promises, and scheduling are the two leading factors for why this happens

Fair enough. :)

Posted by kaw_86 on 12/21/2020 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by npb7768 on 12/21/2020 10:53:00 AM (view original):
For anyone unfamiliar with the RPI formula:

25 percent of your RPI is your W-L record, and:
- Road wins are worth 1.4 wins actually.
- Home wins are only worth 0.6 wins.
- Road losses are only worth 0.6 losses.
- Home losses are worth 1.4 losses.
So if you schedule 10 home games and go 5-5, RPI will consider your W-L record as 3-7.
10 road games at 5-5 will put your RPI W-L record at 7-3.
This again is 25% of your RPI.

50 percent of your RPI is your opponents' W-L record:
- so you want to avoid scheduling SimAi dregs as your path to 10-0.
- if vs Sims, usually try to schedule teams with a bunch of juniors (who will be seniors the following season when you play them).
Pretty sure this is unweighted home-away. So the 9-1 Long Island Blackbirds with 10 home games will be considered 9-1.

The last 25 percent of your RPI is your opponents' opponents' records...
- scheduling the 23-3 Long Island Blackbirds will be valuable, though probably a little less-so due to them pounding a bunch of 7-17 teams in the NEC.

This is great. I've actually built some software and knew how RPI was calculated but I didn't know about how weighted away games are. Definitely will be changing up my scheduling now!

Yeah 1.4 vs 0.6 for D2 homecourt advantage is a joke.

Posted by kaw_86 on 12/21/2020 10:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 12/21/2020 2:13:00 AM (view original):
RPI is just one factor, SOS is also important.

That's silly. SOS is only a sub-stat that helps calculate RPI. SOS on its own is valueless.

RPI is not the most important thing. It is also not the most important thing in real life seeding. It is just one factor, which can be manipulated :)

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/20/2020 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah that's a little weird. Luckily seeds don't really matter when you're just talking about 1 line.

I agree for the most part but if I've got a so-so NT team, I'd personally rather get a 6 seed than a 5. Just one more round to avoid the 1 seed (provided the 6 can even make it that far). But I agree wholeheartedly, it's really all about the match up you get.

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 3:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kaw_86 on 12/21/2020 10:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 4:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/20/2020 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah that's a little weird. Luckily seeds don't really matter when you're just talking about 1 line.

This is correct.

I didn't see the experience level of the OP, but I used to ask the same question about seeding. Sometimes in can be funky. Sometimes you also have to look at the teams ahead of you and the conference they come from, as a team might get bumped up or down a line, to make the balance of the bracket accurate (ex, if 4 teams from 1 conference are in the NT, all 4 will be placed in different regions).

But overall, seeding is so meaningless in HD. Due to lots of factors. There's some coaches that don't schedule, will go 29-0 with SOS 200, and get a 5 seed. And they might be the best team. I've had a 10 loss, 10 seed team make the championship game because of all the freshman promises I made. But once post season arrives, I could sit all the freshman and my true starting lineup carried us far. Often times there's teams that are seeded low that are excellent, or teams that are seeded high that aren't very good.

I also realize it's fun and noteworthy to earn a 1 seed just for self gratification. But in the end, none of the seeding matters, and what's really important is the matchups you're faced with along the way. The more you play, the more you will understand this. It took me a while

I mean, I get the concept, but on average a 1 seed should have an easier path than a 2, if only by a small margin.

I promise I'm telling you this to be helpful and not to argue. But that's just not the case. HD does not work that way at all. Sure it's cool to earn a 1 seed, no doubt. But it does not assure you of an easier path. I'm not sure what division you play at, but I can name a couple coaches that are consistently under seeded because of personal choices they make. It's just how they play the game.

freshmen promises, and scheduling are the two leading factors for why this happens

I hate seeing that particular coach's team in my bracket.....

Posted by emy1013 on 12/22/2020 2:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 3:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kaw_86 on 12/21/2020 10:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/21/2020 4:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/20/2020 6:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah that's a little weird. Luckily seeds don't really matter when you're just talking about 1 line.

This is correct.

I didn't see the experience level of the OP, but I used to ask the same question about seeding. Sometimes in can be funky. Sometimes you also have to look at the teams ahead of you and the conference they come from, as a team might get bumped up or down a line, to make the balance of the bracket accurate (ex, if 4 teams from 1 conference are in the NT, all 4 will be placed in different regions).

But overall, seeding is so meaningless in HD. Due to lots of factors. There's some coaches that don't schedule, will go 29-0 with SOS 200, and get a 5 seed. And they might be the best team. I've had a 10 loss, 10 seed team make the championship game because of all the freshman promises I made. But once post season arrives, I could sit all the freshman and my true starting lineup carried us far. Often times there's teams that are seeded low that are excellent, or teams that are seeded high that aren't very good.

I also realize it's fun and noteworthy to earn a 1 seed just for self gratification. But in the end, none of the seeding matters, and what's really important is the matchups you're faced with along the way. The more you play, the more you will understand this. It took me a while

I mean, I get the concept, but on average a 1 seed should have an easier path than a 2, if only by a small margin.

I promise I'm telling you this to be helpful and not to argue. But that's just not the case. HD does not work that way at all. Sure it's cool to earn a 1 seed, no doubt. But it does not assure you of an easier path. I'm not sure what division you play at, but I can name a couple coaches that are consistently under seeded because of personal choices they make. It's just how they play the game.

freshmen promises, and scheduling are the two leading factors for why this happens

I hate seeing that particular coach's team in my bracket.....

Me too. Cuz they usually whoop me, in a season I had high expectations!

projection report looks at wins vs top 100, top 50, top 25 - rpi doesnt directly look at that

this will tend to correlate w your SOS but isnt the same