Nope.

I still redshirt occasionally with A prestige teams.

A couple guards that I'm currently redshirting. Not great, but they fit a role if you lose some recruiting battles.

LSU/Allen: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4610416
Arizona/Rupp: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4638854

Sr redshirt is something I use and I exploit the hell out of it. I'm also in favor of changing it. There's no one in college bball that is developing their career, getting more time and minutes, grows in to a star, starts a bunch of games, and then sits out at the peak of their career for the hell of it, with no consequences for the team or coach. I understand cub's comment about it not really being a glitch. But I see it that way. Mainly because it's automatic.

They could make it where the recruit will send you a message and say if I'm not playing this season I'm leaving. Allowing the coach to remove the redshirt if they like. Maybe have them leave 50% of the time or something.

Right now in D2 Iba, I've literally had my class structure setup with (roughly) a 4-2-4-2 type of structure. And I've redshirted a Sr every other season to make a great big class. Because of it, for 9 seasons in a row, I've alternated between "F4 and beyond" or "suck" in my down season. And it's all because of my Sr redshirt pretty much. This season is my "good year" and I'm the top projected team. It's cool cuz I'm winning. But even I feel like it's lame. But I do it because it's there to be done. Its really just kinda silly if you ask me

Can someone explain to me the senior RS?

Posted by texashick on 2/19/2021 9:30:00 PM (view original):
Can someone explain to me the senior RS?

You can redshirt any senior you want and they drop to 1 WE in most cases. But they ALWAYS return.

So you can look at your roster after roll over, if you think you have a better chance to win next season, just redshirt him and he'll end up with your Jr class.

Doesn't sound like much. But with Srs, they're already maxed for the most part. So dropping to 1 WE doesn't hurt much. You just end up with a better player with better IQs in your class the following season. It's good to do when you have a 1 or 2 man class. It's good to do when you just feel like your current Srs can't win out but "my Jr class would be awesome with him in it!"

But the kinks about it.... 1) as I mentioned above, what kinda player starts for 3 seasons, or becomes a big part of a team over the course of his career, and just sits out a year (Sr year) for no reason? It's just kinda weird. And they NEVER transfer or anything when you do it. 2) unlike freshman, dropping to 1 WE with a Sr doesn't hurt anything at all. If a freshman drops to 1 WE you're going to remove it. As it will ruin the player. But Srs are maxed or close to it. 3) this is the biggest overlooked thing about Sr redshirt..... if I have a 2 man class going in, redshirting the Sr makes it a 1 man class..... but you still get 60 AP instead of 40 for recruiting. And you get money for two openings instead of one. Very big recruiting boost. 4) and I'm just learning this one at D1, it gives you "options" other teams don't have. Let's use the same scenario..... "2 openings becomes 1 opening with bonus recruiting resources". You can aim for an early signer and a late signer. Let's say you sign the early guy (maybe for free), filling your ships. You can target a late signer, and when the NT comes, if you feel good about your chances with the late signer, you can pull the redshirt and then play that Sr in the NT and have help this season and maybe sign that late stud player when RS2 kicks off. Especially if you've been pumping 40 AP at that point in RS1 (instead of having 20 AP since your class is showing as "full")....... or vice versa...... with your extra recruiting dollars, you can aim a little higher for early guys and if you strike out it won't matter as much because you still have a returning player.

that #3 as far as the recruiting resources is HUGE. The #4 was just an example of how you can use it to your benefit in ways other teams can't.

I love senior redshirting jucos in D1. That extra year of practice is huge for their IQ.

If you leave the player off the depth chart and wait until the end of the season to apply the redshirt, instead of rocketing to single digit WE, they just dip down 15-20 points during the season, then take the big jump at the end. Probably doesn’t matter much for most seniors, but for juco/transfers, and pretty much anyone who runs a combo defense, any little bit of IQ helps.

That said, probably 9 times out of 10 I’ve let the player walk, because I didn’t need him. When I do it, it’s for insurance purposes (EE or bad first session recruiting luck), the extra resources are a neat little bonus, but I could and do certainly live without them.

Like I said in the patch thread today, I think it makes sense to re-implement upperclassmen transfers when they’re unhappy about playing time. That would certainly apply to this trick. But really, I think it should mainly be for the players who come with the “wants to play” preference. There should be “team player” types too, for whom this kind of tactic should be tolerable, if it leads to championship opportunities.

Posted by texashick on 2/19/2021 9:30:00 PM (view original):
Can someone explain to me the senior RS?

Here's a great example of Sr redshirt gone wrong (for the site. But not for me!)......

https://imgur.com/a/QGIhcQk

This guy just accepted a redshirt with no WE loss. He was the CPOY last season, averaged almost 20ppg and was an honorable mention nationally. On pace to set the school record in career points.

I just think it's kinda odd that we can do this. I'm basically sacrificing this season for next season by doing so. But if it benefits me in the long run, why not? I'll also get the extra resources in recruiting. We shouldn't have this option in my opinion

I agree about the extra resources. It’s tricky to fix because of the way scouting is set up. But I think in the end, most of us would be ok if they just said fine, keep the scouting, but you lose the recruiting $, and you have to apply redshirts prior to recruiting starting. Then that problem is solved.

But I do think redshirting seniors should be possible. Like this guy took it with no WE drop at the start of the year, was cool with it, that’s just a probability thing, you found the team player type. And in reality, there are guys like that, sure. There are all sorts of players, of the many thousands of student athletes, who wouldn’t mind prolonging their athletic careers for a number of reasons. Lots of guys get their careers interrupted for this reason or that. We don’t have the option in this game to have that personal conversation with the player, to make the pitch for why it’s good for the team and maybe in his own best interests if he sits for a year, we have to assume it’s there. Many won’t accept it, but some will. Not all these guys are itching to get done with college basketball and on with the next step ASAP, especially those who aren’t going on to play professional.

Posted by shoe3 on 2/20/2021 11:25:00 AM (view original):
I agree about the extra resources. It’s tricky to fix because of the way scouting is set up. But I think in the end, most of us would be ok if they just said fine, keep the scouting, but you lose the recruiting $, and you have to apply redshirts prior to recruiting starting. Then that problem is solved.

But I do think redshirting seniors should be possible. Like this guy took it with no WE drop at the start of the year, was cool with it, that’s just a probability thing, you found the team player type. And in reality, there are guys like that, sure. There are all sorts of players, of the many thousands of student athletes, who wouldn’t mind prolonging their athletic careers for a number of reasons. Lots of guys get their careers interrupted for this reason or that. We don’t have the option in this game to have that personal conversation with the player, to make the pitch for why it’s good for the team and maybe in his own best interests if he sits for a year, we have to assume it’s there. Many won’t accept it, but some will. Not all these guys are itching to get done with college basketball and on with the next step ASAP, especially those who aren’t going on to play professional.

i'd be fine with shoe's approach, having to redshirt prior to recruiting for seniors. i'd also be fine if they took out senior redshirting but i'm kinda leaning towards shoe's way being better. the scouting resources aren't nothing but it takes the teeth out. the current version almost compels folks to consider it, if you aren't on an up year its just so valuable. even before you got money for it, it was worth forcing redshirts on older players sometimes so they'd be there for the very important season they'd otherwise have just missed (etc). i think adding scouting $$ doesn't radically change the balance, i agree the recruiting $$ is most of the problem. i am not saying like, coaches are necessarily at a meaningful disadvantage if they don't use it, its definitely situational, but i do think its a pretty meaningful advantage a lot of folks would have to intentionally leave on the table, and that's like, i don't know... too angst inducing or something.

i think its sort of similar to the sentiment on EE manipulation. both require team planning strategy and are valid conduits for expression of coaching skill. but they just both feel like things that a lot of people will find cheesy, stuff they shouldn't be disadvantaged for not doing, that sort of thing. personally, i don't mind either - i really enjoy the EE manipulation and how it ties into (and enriches strategically) the player development experience. to me, it almost makes up for the player development hit the game took when 2.0 came out and hard caps were put in place (which was a very sad thing for me and other folks who were really into the coaching side of the game). i just feel like both are bad for the game to allow to carry on in this manner. i do wish they'd fix hard caps if they whack EE manipulation though, because player development being an essential part of the game was just so awesome in 1.0, and it really picked back up for me when the big board came out. player development now might even be more important than recruiting mechanics? i don't know. its huge and i love it! but i think it is bad for the game, sadly.

I seldom redshirt a player. When I do it is because I 12 players and 4+ seniors.